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[00:00:00] Hello and welcome to the Gran Touring Motor Sports Podcast Break Fix, where we’re always fixing the break into something motorsports related. The drive-through is GT M’s Monthly News episode, and is sponsored in part by organizations like H P D E junkie.com, garage riot, american muscle.com, hooked on driving and many others.

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This is our monthly recap where we’ve put together a menu of automotive motorsport and random car adjacent news. Now let’s pull up the window, number one for some automotive news. Is it really automotive news this month, Brad? I mean, it’s auto, automotive adjacent car adjacent. I think we got something special going on, don’t you?[00:01:00]

Sure. We are actually celebrating the second anniversary of the Break Fix Podcast here in the month of July, and also the eighth anniversary of Gran Touring Motorsport. So this is a great time for us to maybe put aside some of our standard industry news and do some trivia. What do you think, guys? I think it’s great.

I mean, who would believe it? We’d be up here two years later. You said yourself. Does anybody really care what we have to say? Apparently some people do. There’s a podcast. Yeah, it’s, it’s advertised on the website. We have a website. Oh, don’t even get me started. Don’t even get me started. We have it in studio audience that continues to grow with us this month and we’re happy to have all of them here.

So why don’t we play a little trivia while more people log on to the episode. So, who wants to get us started? What’s the first question we wanna ask our in-studio audience? Okay, so, so just for clarification, we’re asking the audience these questions, right? Because I don’t know the answers to ’em. I mean, if you don’t know, [00:02:00] then you could answer as well.

Uh, well, we’ll see. Who was our first female guest and the not Tanya. Sarah Jessica Parker.

Izzy just scored 10,000 points. Linda Vaughn. So this, I’ll give a little hint. This goes back to season one. The second hint is hooked on driving, and Mike Crutchfield should know the answer to this. That’s the third hint say, wasn’t me? No, no, no, no, no. Oh, I’m driving. If you’re saying Id, would it be Mona? Uh, so let me rephrase the question first.

Female featured guest, because we have had, like Chrissy and Tanya have been on That’s correct. As guest hosts in, in panels and stuff. This, uh, woman had her own feature, uh, episode. She has a certain profession. She does. She works with her hands. All right. Time’s up. The answer is Doctor Laura Millman. Oh hey.

[00:03:00] Everybody’s like, really? Okay. You should listen to more episodes, folks. We’re on question number one. I can’t hear the podcast. It’s fine. Big me Brain. The drive-through has gone through multiple revisions thanks to Tanya’s, constant betterment of this particular story. Arc on Break Fix. So what was the original name for We would be Remiss Hot Trash.

Nope. The answer is Would you like fries with that? You get it. Drive through fries with that. Bonus question. What was the original name for Lowered expectations? Lowered expectations. And it was only for like one episode. So we changed it right away. It was called A Side of Golden Nuggets. Terrible, terrible things.

I, I think, I think we made a wise choice by changing it. What is Brad’s favorite vehicle? Hhr. [00:04:00] That’s a, that’s a good pull. That’s a really good pull. I wanna say his Z 28 Camaro, because that’s his handle. So it’s not something I’ve owned. Oh, it’s obviously a Ford Sport car. It’s not the cyber truck either.

Is it a car that you keep trying to find on Used car Lots. Brand New Years after. I was gonna, I was gonna say, is it the charger? Because he’s been looking for them for a while. Have I? You’re always looking for, he’s looking for 2016 Dodge Darts. That’s what he’s looking for. Dark. Dark. Yeah. The dark. Brand new untitled.

Do you wanna know what Brad’s favorite car is? It’s also touted as the best handling car of 1984. Does anybody wanna take another guess? I do. I do. Isn’t Bronco too? I didn’t think the Bronco two was the best handling car of 1984. That’s very, a very low, hard year. Ok. That’s the lowest expectations. Gold nugget [00:05:00] Porsche 9 24.

On the 9 44, the answer is the Pontiac Firo. Oh, but with the full Ferrari body kit. Right. Real quick, isn’t the fear sense space and Fast and Furious Mind? That is correct. Okay. I just wanted to be sure. Full on Firo you, if you’re gonna go Fiero, you always go full Fiero. Never go full Fiero. But you know, it’s funny, we do get attached to certain cars on this show.

We had a period where we talked about HHR constantly. Then it was Aztecs and it was the Cross Caple Nissan Murano or whatever. That’s convertible ever. The Dodge Dart, I mean, it’s just been just, oh, just dumpster fires when our biggest guy in a little car. How tall was the tallest panelist? Oh, do I know this one?

You could guess cuz I think Steve is about the same height. Cause I was gonna say I might be married too. I might be sleeping with him. Is it six eight? [00:06:00] That is the correct answer. Yes. Our tallest driver was six eight on the big man in a little car episode. But it’s not Steve. It wasn’t Steve, but he is six eight.

Okay. Yeah. But speaking of Steve’s in the Latin lads episode, what was Steve’s mini Cooper attacked by Lucas Water? He actually had a flood. Flooded all the plagues. Yeah, it had all the plagues because he had some bug in Fest Station as well. Caught fire. Caught fire. Not on the day exploded Locus prongs.

So the answer is a bear. It tried to rip open the back of his mini Cooper when he was out at some cabin in the woods. When bears attack, I still picture floating in the paddock at some. That was amazing with those flashers going as it’s the back end is way up from the air. Fun fact, if there is a no feeding the Bears [00:07:00] law going on and a bear breaks into your car to get food, you will get a feeding the bear ticket.

I did not know that. Even more, you know you’re not willingly feeding them. That’s kind of weird. You’re the idiot that left the food in your car. Exactly. From the movie mixed bag. What celebrity writer co-wrote. No man’s land starring Charlie Sheen and DB Sweeney. Oh, this is the movie with the nine 11 and the Charlie Sheen was a and no figure skating was in Sweeney, but it’s not the Charlie Sheen Whoop be Goldberg nine 11 movie where Charlie Sheen stuck in an elevator and whoop be Goldberg has a bobblehead of herself.

No idea. This is a Steve question. A hundred percent a Steve question. Anybody else wanna venture or guess who the writer was? The answer is Dick Wolf of Law and Order. Yeah. Dun, dun.

What did s r o driver Rob Holland do before he got into racing? He was a competitive cyclist. That is absolutely correct. I would’ve guessed [00:08:00] male stripper, but I guess I’m wrong. He just doesn’t talk about that. It’s true. That’s how he pays for the racing. Yeah, no, that’s how he bought the titanium, uh, bicycle parts.

How do you pronounce the name of the first racetrack? We interviewed, walk out in the, at the asphalt, you know, whisper to it or something. How do you interview a racetrack? I mean, it was the first, we’ve interviewed several racetracks, but the racetrack organizers and the owners and whatnot. So the very first one we interviewed, they made it a point to correct us on how to pronounce the name of the racetrack, and we continued to pronounce it incorrectly, just for fun on purpose.

Tour of lemons. Is it? No, I know, but I can’t think of what it is right now. I’ll give you a hint. It’s in Michigan. Yeah, it It’s run by Chichen Chung. Nelson. Legends. No, Waterford. The answer is ginger man. Raceway. Oh, gingerman. See, we all do it. Yeah. [00:09:00] See, I thought the question, when you said pronunciation, I thought you were gonna ask, how many times does it take Brad to get the gummy bear pronunciation correct.

That’s another tribute question. It’s Ginger man, because it’s named after a book. The Ginger Man. Oh, when they get mad, when people call it Gingerman. Well, if you talk to locals, it’s not water first. La rat, ginger Man makes it sound like it’s a horror character. S prequel to S

is for. Who did Mary Hakey call when she got a flat tire in desert? Allegedly well above speed Limit who she calls. Don’t say the Ghostbusters. Damn it. They would be close, actually, don’t worry, Charlie Sheen. No, I don’t know that Charlie Sheen played this type of person in any of his movies either. We’re of a Tom Cruise type of[00:10:00]

Will Smith. So the answer is she called her friend at the cia the look of utter disappointment on everybody’s face. Nope. She did not call aaa. She called the C I A. Did they send out a drone to assess where she was at first they sent a reaper for the first part of this question. We asked a hundred people and they, what was John W?

One of the fourth’s first car. From the little Anton crossover episode. Anybody remember? No. His very first car was a Deto Mazo Panera. Wow. Now the bonus question, who was his stepmother? Tanya is raising her hand to answer. She’s a famous, legendary actress. This is true. Diamonds are her best friend, Betty White Taylor, Elizabeth Taylor.

That is a hundred percent correct. His stepmother was Elizabeth Taylor’s best friend, Elizabeth Taylor, [00:11:00] and he ran an IMSA and a bunch of other series as well back in the day. So, uh, that other series, Eric, that other series, oh, I’m sorry. Yes, that other series for all of the super fans out there. What was our very first crossover episode?

I just pinged him on Instagram today as a matter of, he has a very deep voice. I don’t have instant, so it often gets forgotten because we did a whole month of crossovers. Our very first crossover episode was with Blackstone Joe from Slicks Talk. That’s friend Hope on that episode. You should know, Hmm.

What did Carolyn take Slight offense to being called on the techs episode. I feel like no one on here’s listened to the podcast ever. Is that what it’s, is that what’s going on? She’s in it. So she doesn’t like to call her sugar tips.

Not [00:12:00] sure if I would go that far. She would probably take offense to that too though. So I mean, I may have let a paddock term slip and I called her meat behind the steering wheel. Whoa. The fleshy meat bag. Behind the steering wheel. She was none too happy about that. Good job. Way to insult our guests.

That’s how we get Repeat. What car club did Jason Kennedy from Auto Interest belong to before starting his H B D E organization? I’ll give you a hint. It’s not the Aztec Club or the Pento Club. The Yugo Club. Very close, but no mid crisis club. It’s a blue oval club. I will say that Subaru. Oh, is this technically a blue opal?

This is a club that Dean probably would’ve joined. Had you known it actually existed, because none of us realized it until this episode. It’s not s r o, it’s at Theo. Oh, not s v Close, very close tourist club. The s h o Taurus Club. [00:13:00] Oh, yeah, yeah. The Yamaha engine. Yeah. See, I’m just holding out for the, uh, Fort Transit Band Club.

I’m just picturing a bunch of soccer bombs with like the Ford Taurus, like station wagons pulling up and doing track days. That’s the thing that blew our mind. They’re going to like road Atlanta and like all these places with four tourists. The bonus question, I believe, I, I have the right answer for this, but the first track, the track that they call home is, Ginger moan, man.

Mom, ginger, mom. If we’re talking vintage Ford, how about this one? What Ford production product was the fastest on the Dearborn proving grounds in the 1990s? Ooh, I know this cause I know who drove it on the handling course. So it’s not just top speed, it’s handling. Oh, it’s on the hand. Oh, I know the answer to this cuz you told me the story, but yeah, I think I told you the story.

But the Ford probe, obviously, well, the Talladega probe did 230 miles an hour with Lynn St. James behind the wheel. Yeah, but that’s not what Dean’s referring to. I [00:14:00] know what the answer is. Is it a Ford Fiesta? No, I get to be a fiesta. The obvious guess from that era would be a Mustang GT now with 215 horsepower.

But the real answer is the police interceptor. Crown Vic was a police package. Yay. Those are fun. Yeah, especially when you’re steering from the passenger seat. All right. Well, since Dean chimed in, I have a question for him. What does Greg Gill, president of SRO GT America have in his garage? I should know this, but I don’t.

He’s probably, well, I don’t know. They’re the dead bodies. A former, uh, executive though. I don’t know. I know one of them makes mountain man band very happy. Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh. Poor Taurus Wagon square body cnx. At the time of the interview, he had two cars in his garage. He had a Lamborghini UUs and a Chevy C 10 square body, and he said the C 10 is more fun to drive the Lamborghini, but you know, we’ll just leave [00:15:00] it there.

That year is, I saw one of those in person. That thing is a sin crime against nature. Yes, but what does it smell like? Refers to what? Geo Prism. This was actually the headline of like drive through episode like 13, I think it was with Donovan from Garage in the middle of the episode. He literally goes, yes, but what does it smell like?

Synthetic fuel. I don’t. Crayons purple. Only if it was an old Volkswagen. That’s the right, yeah. Well, no. Any 1990s German product, all the adhesives would smell like crayons after a bunch of years. Infinity J 30, which did Japanese leather tanning process, which had a fishy smell. So I’m gonna give you guys the points for the smell of an interior.

Specifically. It was the smell of a new Volvo that was using like renewable materials and all this crazy stuff that was unheard of at, at least until now. Oh, the vegan interior. That’s right, exactly. Awesome. [00:16:00] Yes. But what does it smell like? Yeah. One of my personal favorite episodes, which we re-released for St.

Patty’s Day, which was the Airwolf episode. What was John Wade hunting with his Apache helicopter squirrel. A bear? No, that was the Red Bull, wasn’t it? That is a hundred percent correct. He mistook them for terrorists in Southern California, but they were actually Red Bull Minis headed to a car show. Yeah, they thought they were rocking launcher for some shit.

Oh, all the cia. His stories are when we unbelievably amazing stayed his place. He started talking about the eight tens flying over top of the Apaches. Yeah, that was, that was a fun time. What is the name of Annika Carter’s Mik. I’ll give you four multiple choice answers. Is it Jeff? Bob, Dave or Steve? Oh, I gotta go with Steve.

A hundred percent the answer is Steve. Yeah. Thousand points to Izzy. I was gonna go with, [00:17:00] I come backwards. This one got hinted too earlier, so I’m gonna ask it. What words did Brad and Tanya struggle with during a few drive-through episode recordings? What words didn’t we struggle with? I’ve never struggled with a word Haribo.

Haribo is Brad’s word. What is Tanya’s word? Anthrop.

Anthrop. They’re horrified. We did like eight takes to get that word out. I think we just spliced in somebody else saying it. What car would Tonya own? Above all others? The Panda. That’s right. Yeah. A thousand points to Daniel because the points don’t matter, but the prizes are good. I’ll eventually get her to like in a square body.

Nope. I gonna, is as close to a square body as I’m willing to get. What does the X in Pmx stand for? [00:18:00] Extreme extremes. No exhumed. Exhumed. I will exhume your money from you. Any other guesses what the accent pmx might stand for? Does anyone know what the P or the M stands for? Project motoring extractions.

That’s true. John CFII admits the EX stands for nothing. Yes, it’s It’s cause you got hooked on the PX in the military. I have to admit, I do mess a good piat.

What is the one show that Eric refuses to watch? Game of Thrones? No, I think he watched Game of Thrones, RuPaul’s Drag Race. I think that’s on his top 10 list. It is a car related show. Kate’s Garage, RuPaul’s Drag Race has drag racing. What are you talking about? Oh, do you not like Motory? He hates John Davis with the [00:19:00] fact this comes up literally every month.

I receive every episode. Is it American top here? American top here is always worth, it has garnered more US viewership because of this show on Netflix, which is the opposite of World Rally Championship. I know you watched Russ Valley before, so I know it’s not that. It’s good. Show. That guy’s nuts. Every Bad American version of top year.

Yeah, top year. Yeah. Thank you. Oh my God, they’re so bad. But no, not that is the Junkyard War. Are you anti junkyard Wars? I am anti drive to survive. I refuse to watch it. Oh, and Brad almost pinned me down at v i r and he’s like, we’re putting, I’m putting it on and I’m like, Nope, I’m leaving the house. We not doing So instead, bonus, what did we watch at V I R?

I know Za they, she was an answer to a previous question, although she was the wrong answer Of whose stepmother she was. It’s true. And I [00:20:00] mistakenly listened to this on the drive home from v i r cause it started playing over my Bluetooth. See, they’re both pals and confidants. Thank you for being a friend.

The problem with Drive to Survive is season spoiled before it starts. Mike, you ruined it. Nobody got that. Yeah, it’s Golden Girls. Golden Girls. Thank you Kaine. I made Brad watch the Golden Girls instead of watching Drive to Survive. Cause the Golden Girls were amazing. Here’s, here’s a little secret he didn’t have to make me.

Hey, I watched that growing up. Great show. He liked it. He really didn’t. Those four saucy broads, you know, they are the basis for our Florida man stories. That’s all I’m gonna say. We’re gonna get to those in a little bit. Well, it’s, it’s between them and Seinfeld and George’s parents living in dub Boco Vista.

That being said, here’s another s r O question for you. What did Jim Jordan say happened to Lynn St. James’ Ford Pinto. It exploded. That is a very good [00:21:00] answer. I know Dean knows the answer. I think they did not. I’m trying to remember that story because Jim and Lynn are friends and Jim raised a Pinto. Did he buy Lynn’s ex Pento?

She drove it into a lake. Oh. Cause it was already on fire. It was actually during her first race, her like debut race. She went off and like turned two or three, I think she said a palm beach and ended up in what she thought was just gonna be a puddle or a small pond and it ended up being a lake. That’s disturbing.

That’s like the guy at Wine Walk ending up underneath the wall a hundred percent. But you know, she went on to do great things. So, uh, you know, whatever, that’s, everybody’s got a origin story, right? As we say, small sacrifices, really it was, it was, had exploded and it’s pinto, so it definitely was a small sacrifice up.

Dad jokes on that one. I gonna say Lynn St. James, I believe is being inducted in the Automotive Hall of Fame tomorrow. Quite an honor. [00:22:00] An amazing woman. What is the, I’m assuming GTM crew. Team Diet Bigg Newton’s Rigo. How you guys Gummy Bearers and Monster. That is hundred percent right. A thousand Points.

Mountain Manan. Listen to the end. Every episode, all 33 of them that are currently, hang on, there’s one more item. Goldfish, where did that come? But only if Richter’s there. That’s well, alright. I, I would, I would’ve accepted Yanker as an option. But goldfish is, that’s kind of out there, Mike. If Richter’s there like a, a gallon of goldfish is gone.

All right. I have a multiple choice question for you guys before we move on from our trivia. Brad is willing to sell his spot in line for his Tesla cyber truck reservation. The question is multiple choice. What would he sell it for? A hundred dollars. A bucket of chicken. All the change you can find under the seat of your Chevy Cavalier D.

No low balls. I know what I have or [00:23:00] all of the above because it really doesn’t matter. He knows what he has. It’s true. Chicken. Fucking chicken. I love ball. I’ve lost my hundred dollars. That’s what I have. Much Doge you get for that. Hundred dollars. Brad. None. I’m not gonna lie, I’ll put it in a reservation from Id buzz, even if I’m not gonna buy just, just until I get the full specs.

So I guess it’s time that we move on. Like I said, we’re gonna be skipping industry news this month, but we’re gonna jump right into Brad’s favorite section, lost and Found, where he calls local dealerships to see if he can buy yet another 2016 Dodge Dirt. But I think I found something better before we get into what’s available new on dealership lots.

Would you be interested in buying. A vehicle known as the Bradley, I would if it wasn’t this vehicle, it wasn’t an abomination. If it wasn’t what appears to be a C3 Corvette [00:24:00] grafted to an Audi A eight front end. I don’t know how to explain any of this. You know the DeLorean windows. I know exactly what this car is.

This is the front end of a 1989 Lincoln Town car seared onto the back of a 1982 Honda crx. That was an episode of American Honda, wasn’t it? I can live with a lot of what’s going on in this picture except Mountain Man. Since you’re here with us, is that your cousin? Like what is going on in this picture?

Can you explain this to me as a bow time man? Exactly. What’s going on here? Yeah, that’s the country version. Uh, I’m sure you guys have seen the videos. Would you look at that? Would you look at that? What would you look at that? That’s the guy. That’s the country version of, that’s the hype man guys. Hold on.

So this car has got going doors and T tops. Yes. Explain this. Engineering marvel to me. Oh my God. I mean, I’m completely befuddled by this vehicle. I’m sure it’s [00:25:00] amazing. For 180 horsepower of six and a half liters of v8, it’s, this is a credible stuff. The thing I read said it was based on an Audi 100, but I can see that from the body panels, but I don’t see it from the wheel base or the rest of the body line itself.

It’s a little bit too brickland for me. Overall, I’m impressed that they actually got it together, that backend. It looks somewhere between a c3, Corvette and a Dotson Z. There’s some weird lines going on in the back of this. Fenders are, are very c3. Your window. It doesn’t look like a c3. My stepdad had one.

It doesn’t quite look right. I don’t know that we need to explain it, Mike, but what we need to find out is what’s new on dealer lots. If you’ll remember back to last month episode. That 1988 Pristine Cadillac Deville base model is still for sale. What are they asking for that again? 17,988. 17 grand for an eighties Cadillac.

I don’t know. Is that a good deal? No.[00:26:00]

If it, it’s never been registered. It still has the factory warranty. $1,700 is not a good deal for an eighties Cadillac, what are you talking about? You know it’s gonna break right away and you guys eliminate it’s a good deal if you’re Robert Janeiro and Casino. Yes. Or Boss Hog in the Dukes and Hazard. I mean, what?

What are we talking about here? You can also buy the brand new 2005 four GT base model, which is still for sale for $450,000. Did that come down? Cause I thought that was 700,000 the last time we checked. No, no, it’s four. It’s been four 50. Oh, nice. That’s a steal then. I mean, look at that inflation. It’s not really impacting the Ford gt.

Nope. Nope. I’m looking for a Dodge Dart, but they may all be gone. You can get a Chrysler 200. Did you call Chuck? No, I forgot to call Chuck LED duck. This is a real person, people, I mean, we’ve brought him up month after month after month. He’s who I bought my Grand Cherokee from. Chuck LED Duck. Anything else for sale or are we remiss?

[00:27:00] We would be remiss if we didn’t talk about this next thing that Tanya wants to talk about. There doesn’t actually, I don’t actually have any Tesla news. How is this possible with everything that is going on in the world of Dogecoin and Solar City and SpaceX? Because we decided today just spur of the moment that anything that did not have to deal with Tesla but still dealt with Elon Musk went under Florida, man, because he’s a clown.

I also heard he pulled out of Twitter too, so that’s forgot. That’s the whole bill Shoot, won’t he does. He doesn’t He thing going on right now as that whole thing was a manipulating the market kind of thing. It it’s complete bs. He’s gonna get hit hard because the judge they drew for the lawsuit has forced sale before.

Is a judge. Judy, he’s a judge. Sound confus doesn’t, he doesn’t suffer fools. He doesn’t fucking around. He doesn’t suffer fools. But what’s happening here, and I’ve said this before, is that we’re at this point in the automotive landscape where there’s [00:28:00] as many bespoke manufacturers as there was at the birth of the automobile before all these company merged and whatnot.

So now we’re hearing names like Lightyear and Aptera XP and a few others. So Tanya, let’s talk about some of these Tesla alternatives that are out there. Well, we had Bollinger before and can you and all those other ones. There’s an alpha, which hopefully they would make that pickup truck that looks like the one from back in the future.

I remember I saw it in person at the Peterson when I was in la. It is real and it is very cool. I am seeing Lucid on the road. Really? Yeah. Look, I’ll buy a new car when I can get a Okay. So a small tidbit of information. I recently learned Chevy Cova, GM actually made an electric version of that. There was a lot of one offs like that.

There wasn’t a production one, but there was an electric Miata back in the early nineties. We built one. There’s a lot of oddball ones. If you look in history, I don’t doubt there’s electric covet. There were probably electric Corvette too. The [00:29:00] G M R and D electrified a lot of things. The same with Ford.

Apparently the core variant, the reason it didn’t make it was apparently the batteries were some sort of like silver something battery, and after like 40 charges, they had to be thrown in the ocean or something. In the ocean. That’s a good place to, I was like thousand percent. Yeah. Yes. The, the only way to dispose is toss it in the ocean.

You have to club a baby seal with it first. It’s the only way to deactivate it. Then you throw it in the ocean. I mean, it was the, it was the sixties people, there was a lot of drugs. Right. That’s all I’m gonna say, but this section of the drive-through is really important and I’m glad that Dean is here because one of the trivia questions, if you’re playing the online version, is what was Dean’s specialty when he was back in the automotive world as an engineer and Dean, you were in too.

Electric vehicles. I, I worked at Ford EV program in the nineties and then Nissans in the late nineties, early 2008. My daily driver from 1998 to 2006 was a Nissan Ultra ev. Never heard of one of those. Well, [00:30:00] well here’s, can anybody name all of the electric vehicles that were out in 1998 because the largest automakers, uh, there was a ZEV mandate from 1990 proposing that 2% of all cars sold in California 1998 be zero emission.

They backed off cause the battery technology just wasn’t there. And they carb admitted that, you know, in 1998 there was no suitable battery technology. The seven largest automakers build demonstration fleet, the EV one’s, the only one that anyone remembers. Can you name any of the other electric vehicles that came out in 1998?

I remember first seeing it in one of the museums that I visited. The Toyota had there. They had like a RAV4 or something? That was ev? Yep. Rav4. Rav4 ev. Very good, very good. Didn’t they have a Ford Ranger that was an EV also? Yep, I worked on that one. This is a good trivia question on that. What was the rear suspension set up?

That’s super specific clue. A, the Deion rear axle with the Watts linkage to support all the weight. Cause the batteries were [00:31:00] so heavy, right. It was the packaging of how the motor fit in. Cause everything was driven by the battery packaging. So we got, basically, it’s just one thing led to another and we got forced into using a de Deion rear axle.

We were using composite leaf springs to save weight, which have no lateral stiffness, so we had to add a watts linkage to add that in. It became a complicated mess at the time. I think we were trying to sell them at $30,000 each and the, the range was only 50 miles. That was a hard sell. Talk about rage anxiety.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Speaking of complicated messes, these next three cars are significant as Tesla competitors. Why Tanya? Well, I don’t know if someone would go so far as to say significant competitor because I think solar EVs still have probably a long way to go. And we’ve touched on this one I think already over a year ago, this Dutch company with their light year zero, all solar vehicle, had new industry news quoted some range [00:32:00] numbers that apparently they can get 350 miles out of their full solar charge.

And then they claim, I guess if all conditions, the sun is shining brightly that day, that within a day they can get 40, 43 ish miles of solar region To add to your, to top off your mileage that day. I mean it’s all good and well at this point, cause this is. Everything. Stars, moon, sun, brightly shining, everything aligned with the planets.

Everything, like the whole car is made out of carbon fiber, so surprisingly it only weighs like 3,500 pounds, 770 pounds of battery in it. I, I’m actually surprised how light that is cuz there’s a lot of just ice cars out today that are well above that and not even as SUVs. So that’s pretty impressive.

But if the whole thing is made out of carbon fiber, I mean of course it’s pretty light. What else is it when it’s all made outta carbon fiber? It’s also pretty expensive. Yes. [00:33:00] Well, what was the price? Yeah. This is not for the faint apart. This cannot compete against the love because it costs anyone have a guess.

Can I get a, can I get a one? I get a 180. 180. Do I get two 40 cents? Do I get a two 50? Anyone? We’re still going 310 grand. Oh, you’ve overshot, you’ve overshot Too high. Too high Bob 1, 260 $5,000. Oof. I mean, that DeLorean’s looking really good right now. Look, it’s all fun games until you gotta make that, uh, that stretch between Windover and Salt Lake City.

You hit those headwinds. It’s all fun games. So tractor trailer throws a rock and crash the is 1 75 for theirs. Their big selling point is they have 500 miles range in the top model. But yeah, 1 75 hurts too. [00:34:00] But then you’ve got the appera that’s claiming a thousand miles. But this looks like something from Blade Runner.

Is that the right movie? Yeah, it’s that weird airfoil shape that just has a tripod of, it looks like it needs a propeller on top. Similar to that Mercedes we’ve been talking about where they’re going in exorbitant amount of distance, right? It’s all very aerodynamic but not very practical. So what happens when those are on the road with like 2007 grand Denali?

They die. You ever seen a bug hit a windshield? Like this is just, this is my thought. Like I would be very happy to drive something like small and compact like me and Steven some cats. We don’t need a huge back seater with ever. But then I remember I live in redneck country and everybody drives one ton dually.

I need something that has a bumper. The funny part is the app terror advertises themselves as room for two people and one pet because it is a true seater that is just like this weird sled cargo area in the back. Two [00:35:00] people, one pet, but that pet has to be a hamster. The part that gets me about this is the never charge solar.

And I’m like, that’s impossible. Unless it’s some sort of perpetual motion machine where it’s generating power as it’s going. There’s no amount of sun even in the middle of death Valley that they can absorb to keep this thing going. To never have to plug it in anywhere. It just doesn’t make, it’s just not feasible to me.

We drive insane distances and a lot of people drive insane distances, but their argument is you can get like 40 miles a day of range. So if you live close to work and the sun is in the right spot of the sky, it’s never cloudy and you live in the right part of the country, you can get up to 40 miles of range a day.

You never have to charge and you get thousand miles. So number, I mean, I used to have a 12 mile commute, so for me, that would’ve parked.

That would’ve been less perfect, but so the one thing about the Aptera that I do like, they’ve got it to where they’re all about people that buy their products to work on their own vehicles. [00:36:00] So if something breaks, you contact them, they’ll send you the replacement part to replace it yourself, which is something I do like about their business model.

This is much more affordable, although I don’t think I would want to spend as much on this. Are we still in the six figures? No, five figures. 99 grand. Way lower really isn’t it? Into like the mid thirties, 7,000. No lower. So they say it will range from 25 9 to 46,000 plus. The challenge on all of these is there’s what they call the valley of death between Handbuilt.

You can build supercars at 500,000 and find suckers to buy them, and you can mass produce cars 40 an hour off an assembly line. But anything in between. Is really, really difficult to make money at. You don’t have the economy of scale of a production. You can’t build a car for $25,000 having craftsmen build it.

So that’s the challenge for all of these. Well, it comes in a box, you put it together, it’s a kit [00:37:00] car. Oh, that’s why some assembly required insert tabban to slot B. But that’s also why they’re probably big on people repairing their own cars because now, oh, we don’t have service centers. It’s not our problem.

Because everyone complains about Tesla where you have to wait for them to drive out to you or you have to happen to find some Tesla service center near you because they don’t have a dealership network like you know, the big manufacturers do. So they can use that as a selling point, but at the same time it gets them out of headaches.

No, but the best way to work on your Tesla is to drive down the Home Depot. We know that only if you need corner molding to hold the battery in place. You were saying for the Appera Mike, uh, regarding the cargo space, the video I was watching, the guy actually climbed in. The guy close to my size actually climbed in there and was able to fit in the cargo area.

I don’t know if they would’ve been able to close the hatch with him in there, but it was a decent amount of space. They have a, a kit available in theory, you know, once the car’s in production you can open the rear hatch and turn the back into a [00:38:00] tent cause it bridges from the, where the hatch is open to where the cargo area is stealing from Aztec technology is what you’re saying?

Yeah. Unfortunately it doesn’t look as good as Aztec. I think you’ve got the two extremes. You’ve got the Apero, which is all about hyper efficiency and minimalist. Colin Chapman ad lightness. Then you’ve got the Hummer Ev. How many people is the Hummer Ev gonna kill? 9,000 pounds of them. Yeah. That thing, I can’t imagine the end of civilization.

Those things just scare the crap out of me. I’m interested in seeing the Humer EV’s off-road technology for like the crab walk and things like that because I think that’d be very useful for like the off-road people. Yeah. But I just don’t know if the batter’s gonna hold up for some of the places you go offroad, cuz you get out.

We’re gonna talk about that exact point you bring up cuz you brought it to our attention about range here in a little bit. So let’s put a pin in that for a second. Let’s talk about the Xang P seven. So this one [00:39:00] is a Tesla competitor. It’s a Tesla facsimile is what it is. It is better looking than the Botox looking lip injected.

Tesla front end. Ask me how it alright, alright, alright. I, I’m with you there. So the backend looks like a Polaris, the front end, they stole a bunch of stuff from the Lucid Air. Yes. There’s a lot of things going on with this car that I don’t understand. Especially the article. It’s a lot of hype. Porsche co-developed and I’m like, where did you get all this garbage?

I mean, whatever. The interior is probably one of the best modern interiors I’ve ever seen. I like the heads of display. I like the way it looks. It doesn’t look like it’s made from an IKEA showroom collection. Like a lot of these other EVs, it’s kind of well put together. They claim this car has been around now for 12 years or whatever it is.

They developed two years after Tesla came out with the Model S. And I just look at it, I just keep kind of scratching my head, like even the logo looks like a Polaris, right? I I, I don’t know what to think. They also alleged 329 miles of range in a [00:40:00] price stack of $53,000. Here’s the other part that’s confusing.

You scroll halfway down this ridiculous article, you know, again, co-developed by Porsche and whatnot, and it goes miles per gallon. 1824 horsepower, D 10 engine, 3.8 liter b6. And I’m like, hold on a second. This is a website dedicated to EVs. This is supposed to be an ev and why am I getting Edmund specs about a v6?

So is this an April fool joke? Like, what the heck is this? It’s China so you can’t believe any of it. Wait, may 96, the court give better gas mileage than this thing according to this article, yes. And I, and I’m very, very confused being a Chinese company though, it’s, it was a joke we used to use in the military.

We, we were working on one aircraft and didn’t have the proper tech data with us and we needed to figure out you how something went. We go look at one of the aircraft and we always call it Chinese tech data cuz the Chinese always like copied. Stuff from other countries and put their own spin on it. So maybe they looked at a portion, that’s how they, they [00:41:00] consider them collaborating with it.

That’s why Volkswagen only ever sold lockdown cars in China for the longest time because if you manufacture in China, you have to partner with the Chinese company and basically license all your tech to that company and they can do whatever you want with it. So Volkswagen would build complete cars, take it apart, ship it in parts to China and put it back together.

Well, that’s why that second row of headlights is like straight off of a McLaren seven 20. I mean, this is such a parts bin car. It reminds me of like you’re walking in downtown LA or New York and you run by that cell phone store, and it’s like all these off-brand cell phones that sort of look like Samsung and Apple, but they’re not quite the same.

And when you fire it up, it’s just not the same experience. That’s sort of where I’m going with this car is that I would drive one to, you know, do the journalist thing and say, yeah, I drove it, but I don’t think I could willingly buy this thing. Even at the low price tag of 53 grand. I get it. It’s known it’s own thing.

You don’t want a Samsung or an [00:42:00] Aral. An Aral, yeah. Yeah. Two vehicles you haven’t mentioned on EVs. What’s anyone’s take on Vin Ft? What about what Hyundai’s doing? Hyundai’s going pretty strong. The ionic looks pretty stout. Certainly a competitor to the Tesla Model three. We have talked about the Ionic five a couple of times now.

You know, all the commercials doing with Jason Bateman, all stuff. We’ve done some spotting on the road. I think they’re pretty neat. I like where they’re taking that design. And next month we’re gonna talk about the N R E 22 E as well as the N 74 concept vision, or whatever they call it. Those two cars are kind of carrying some of the technology over.

They’re doing hydrogen. There’s some really neat stuff going on at Hyundai and we’re gonna talk about more about that next month. Now the other one, the VIN FST that you mentioned, Tanya, did we cover that at all? I don’t think so. Vin FST is getting 1.2 billion of incentive money from the state of North Carolina.

To build their plant. That’s right. So pretty serious investment there. [00:43:00] Something to check out. Maybe we’ll have to do some research and VIN FAST is a lot of X M BMW people running it could be serious. So the EV market obviously has a lot of demand. As you know, sales have been growing over the last couple years, but now they’ve got a supply issue.

Much like the ICE engines. Their supply is not because of chips though. It’s Cause what? Lithium ion batteries. Oh, nope. Not because chips. Oh darn. I thought it was because chips again. Nope, nope, nope. Because of batteries we can’t produce them fast enough or we’re running out of the rare earth metals to make them.

Yes. The answer is just yes. The big answer right now is, you know, we, we can’t produce them fast enough but obviously cuz we don’t have enough plans. But there’s all kinds of plans to build more plants to be able to do this. But then it brings up the next point of the rare earth metals and everything to build the battery.

Well some of it is just the standpoint philosophically. You want to have a super large S U V with 3000 pounds of batteries, or do you want some hyper-efficient little two seaters? For a commuter cars [00:44:00] probably have five or six small cars with the same amount of batteries as one large S U V. The customer gets what the customer wants in large SUVs, but it’s kinda silly for someone to be driving an eight passenger SUV V to haul one four year old daycare.

I’m not gonna lie, I would’ve killed the ID three in the US rather than the ID four. Yeah, the ID three used to be called the e egolf. Is that right? No, they’re very, yeah. The E egolf was a mistake. Nothing but a car grabbed that was let’s shove some battery. It was like the range was too short. This is where I’ve said before on this show.

EVs are a good idea. A hundred percent. Battery is still a panacea to Brad’s point. Rare earth metals are a problem. This is probably why we’re not talking about Tesla, because SpaceX is up harvesting stuff for Mars to bring back, for us to build more batteries, right? They can’t be building more cars if we don’t have batteries.

I still think hybrid is the answer. I’ve been saying that for a while now. What you choose the power of the [00:45:00] hybrid with is the bigger question. Is it synthetic fuel from Porsche? Is it diesel? Is it gas? What is it? But I think that sea combination. Yeah. Seaweed, whatever. Algae. I don’t know what type of hybrid.

If you get a plug-in hybrid, you have the potential that you mentioned, the 12 mile commute. If you had a plug-in hybrid, you could be pure electric at least five days a week and only kick on the gas once in a while as needed. If you’re a one car family, I would never recommend anyone buying an electric vehicle if they’re a one car family.

Plug-in hybrid could make perfect sense. If you’re a two car family, what are the odds of both people needing to go more than a hundred miles on the same day in different directions? I mean, I’ve got a first generation Nissan lease that’s only an 80 mile car, but I bought it for under $15,000. I think I told you my little stunt.

I did 14 months without spending a dime on electricity. I did all free public charging and charging a couple of my clients where they have EV charging, so it can be done really cheap. If you have [00:46:00] that mindset, if you’re trying to get a car, that will be a direct replacement for every gas thing. Costs go up cuz your batteries just keep getting bigger and bigger and everything.

Weight is the enemy. We’ve owned a 94 now since last March and we have a long commute, has more enough range to get to and from work, but we’ve also done three round trips to Florida. Yeah, you add time with charging and to an extent works well when you have a small child who wants to get outta the car a few hours anyway or it needs a diaper change or something.

It’s doable, but it’s not, I mean, I’ll admit it’s not for, you have to be willing to, to make those stops and and charge and you know, last year gas prices were still kind of down. Now the gas prices have spiked. We’re really reaping the benefits in terms of what our electric bill went up versus what we’ve been paying in gas.

Saw an article recently where the individual had an EV that the batteries took a crap on it and it was gonna about 14 grand for them to replace the batteries for the average citizen. That’s a big chunk of money. That article was about a 2016 irv. It’s like it’s already out of warranty. [00:47:00] That’s not that old.

A six year old ice car to spend 15 grand in repairs, you’d have to blow up the engine and then some to spend that kinda money the engine three times for that. Yeah. The Subaru what as more cars get out there, there’s gonna be aftermarket solutions. Cause I was talking to a friend of mine who worked for a battery company.

He’s telling me that I should be able to get a replacement battery for my leaf. And I haven’t verified this, but he says I should be able to buy a replacement battery for my leaf. For under five grand. That will get me over 200 miles. Guess what’s coming back? And there’s enough lease out there that you can do that.

I mean, no one’s probably gonna be doing that for some of these other Nier vehicles, but as these vehicles age out and if there’s a large enough pool of them, someone will figure out, yeah, I can sell battery packs for better and less expensive than the only replacement. Oh, I said we need Radio Shack back.

I just saw something Radio. Radio Shack is actually back in business. I found out. There’s [00:48:00] 400 stores in the us they reorganized and they’re causing quite the stir on Twitter, so, so a lot of modern EVs, cause of, I think California’s rules are on EV warranty. You’re gonna get an eight year hundred thousand mile warranty on that battery that at least retains 80% of its lifes range.

Yeah. There’s gonna be batteries that. Expire because people do bad charging cycles or just they just break. But how much would my Titan of cost for New Motor had that five liter V8 Cummins that they only sold in Titan for three years blew up and I needed a new motor after you had the flip side of that.

Since the government wants to push for the EV so badly, I think you were saying it’d probably be able to get a battery for like five grand or whatever, but if they were to standardize the batteries across the board, that itself would drop price a lot cuz each manufacturer’s doing batteries their own way.

And when you do that, it just makes it so much more expensive. So if they can find a way to have the decent battery technology standardize that across the board, cuz look at how much of a game changer it was for O B D [00:49:00] stuff back in the, was it 96 when OD two became the standard across the board? Mm-hmm.

When you used to go out and spend all these different prices for so many different o d connectors, depending on what manufacturer it was, you were spending so much money on the diagnostic equipment and then you went from that to being able to have one connector. It made a huge game changer for the maintenance side of it.

You have so many licensing issues with that because you have Tesla’s going down one branch working with Panasonic and they’re patents for doing like de large packs of tiny round cells. And then you have Volkswagen who’s also working with LG on the European delivery ID four, ID three s, and now they’re building a partnership with a different manufacturer in Georgia who’s gonna be building the man battery packs in Georgia for the westbound ID four s.

So you have so many licensing issues at most. You can’t standardize the full package size because you’re gonna kind fit the same pack in an ID four or Hummer that you’re gonna fit in, you know, smart EB for example, from size perspective. Most, you might be [00:50:00] able to standardize modules, but even then you’re limiting your packaging capabilities because models matter to different things based off of cooling requirements, which is honestly what bit.

The leaf unfortunately gave EVs a bad name because their batteries were dying so quickly because Nissan didn’t do active cooling on those. We try to standardize on something as complex as an EV battery. There’s just so many variables. It’s hard to get. I think it’s gonna happen. It’s just we’re too early in the game.

You’re absolutely right that there needs to be a standardization, but we’re too early. I mean, it’s like how many different stupid plugs can we get for our phones? We need standardization on a lot of things in life. The egos such of companies. Tesla doesn’t wanna cooperate with everyone. That’s why they have a different, they didn’t adopt the same S A E standards, everyone else, but some of it, I think we’re just too early on the batteries.

There’s still a lot of new stuff that may or may not work. We haven’t hit the Model T yet of batteries. Someone’s gonna hit it. We just don’t know when. Now Tesla is gonna adapt CCS only to get that, only to get that federal subsidy money. [00:51:00] None of Elon Musk’s businesses would exist without government money.

Even Twitter. But yeah, so there’s a lot to consider there because you know, you guys are talking about standardization. I picked up on something Dean said about, you know, being able to switch out the batteries on the EVs. The only thing that I have, I take issue with on that is if you’ve ever replaced the battery on your cell phone with one that wasn’t directly from the manufacturer, it never seems to be right, ever again.

It doesn’t charge the same way. Does it hold a charge the same period of time, end up buying 12 more? It’s really not worth it at that point. You’re like, get rid of it, get something else. And unfortunately, that’s the model I think that the auto industry is starting to develop. And Brad calls it all the time, the Apple model, right?

We’re software development companies. Now. The car is just an object. It’s something you trade in, Wendy. Empty up. EV 11 comes out and then the 12 comes out and everybody stands in line to get the 12 and turn in their 11. You know, that kind of thing. But to your point about standardization, what’s been standard forever is fuel delivery, a liquid delivery system.

Because here’s the problem, even with EVs in the [00:52:00] future, if we come up with a generalized battery, my 90 year old grandmother’s not gonna be able to go to her local sheets or rofo and do the quick exchange of her battery because they’re gonna still weigh a ton. It’s not like Ryobi where I could just slam it into a a hundred different objects and it’s the same battery.

I just never see it getting to that point. Or it becomes like some of those Black Mirror episodes where you pull up to the gas station and there’s a car that looks just like yours waiting for you, that you just hop in and drive away. So now nobody ever really owns a car. They become these just communal objects to get you from, you know, one location to the other.

So there’s a lot of negatives against the EVs still, even outside of range anxiety. Some of those are conspiracy theories and whatever, but the autonomy of a liquid driven, ice powered vehicle, it always will give you that freedom to go wherever you want, whenever you want. So I’m still banking on somebody coming to the table with a fuel that doesn’t [00:53:00] pollute.

And gives our piston powered vehicles a second life. With that, Eric, basically no ownership anymore. Just constantly leasing in a sense to where you have for a couple years and get a newer model. The subscription model. Subscription model. Yeah, so that’s actually starting to happen a lot in agriculture already with diesel tractors because the prices are getting so outrageous.

The amount of technology on a, it’s where a lot of manufacturers of the tractors don’t want the farmers working on them anymore. So like John Deere’s got a thing to where the farmers are not allowed to touch it if they own it. It has to be John Deere servicing it. I think I mentioned to you previously about the individuals that are farming some land at my cousin’s place.

The tractors they’re using, they keep for four or five years and they upgrade to a new model. Volvo actually came out with this in that not only are you leasing a car, there’s a subscription model for the car. It’s also a subscription model for the insurance too. You just pay one price to Volvo and the dealerships hate it cuz they don’t get as much of the income.

But you pay one price and you can go in and swap your cars and you can even go to different classes and change your monthly rate [00:54:00] and so on and so forth. That model exists out there for the swapping batteries. There’s other countries that are already doing it where. You pull in, they put your car up on a lift, a bunch of screws get pulled out, the thing gets pulled out before you put back in.

Like Tesla did, one for tech demonstration to get federal money and then they abandoned the idea. But that’s feasible. Even the ID four, you know, the ID three that, that whole platform, the battery’s just taken out with a lift from the bottom of the vehicle if they to service the battery. Biggest risk you have when you’re trying to do battery swaps is you’re now dealing with 400 volt, 900 volt systems that you’re disconnecting potentially live connectors.

Even like, you know, Ford has to pull a battery from. Their procedure is the whole area is roped off. There must be two mechanics, one standing by in case the other one gets self electrocuted to make sure he gets away from the the battery. Okay. But I mean, part of that is just because, you know, we might need to mature the, the way the connections happen and stuff like that too.

But battery swapping is happening in some places. It is feasible. I just imagine [00:55:00] when that happens and you pull up to a normal gas station now that’s got, you know, a small little lot that it sits on. When that happens, you’re basically pulling to a big warehouse where they’re gonna have racks and racks of batteries on like a charger that they’re cycling through as people come through, especially in cities and stuff where there’s a lot of people coming in to change batteries out on a regular basis.

So you got 300 people coming in there a day, that’s a lot of battery packs to swap out and they’re gonna need a lot sitting there stored charging in the process. Well, they gotta do something now that they’re not doing Jiffy Loop $19 hail, oil changes. So batteries changes I think. I think most of the batteries swapping is limited.

The fleets. But you know, actually I can tell you one that combines battery swapping. Right to repair and tractors. Monarch tractors, which is a spinoff from Motiva, has an electric tractor with autonomous capability and they have a swap of battery pack so that a farmer can basically run it continuously.

You’re not gonna have level three charging out in the field, but you can roll back and you can potentially swap out a [00:56:00] battery pack. But you know, there is no one size fits all solution on any of these. That rapid battery exchange has potential for fleets and things, but if you look at the most expensive thing on your car, the battery, buying a second battery doesn’t help you on the economics.

It can work in some fleet applications. Things even like forklifts and things. Forklifts don’t need really advanced batteries. They can use old-fashioned dumble acid cuz they need the ballast. There’s gonna be a whole bunch of different solutions come out of this world of electrification where it’s not just pure EVs, but.

Plugin hybrids, small battery packs that are swappable. There’s a lot of opportunities out there for solutions in different companies. So Saturn, back when that company existed, actually had what I thought was a brilliant plan. They were going to make a sister vehicle to the Chevy Volt, but they were gonna make it even closer to a diesel electric train.

They were going to use a diesel generator as the generation source that they could run a peak efficiency at all times to recharge the battery and and drive the vehicle. [00:57:00] There is value in that, but as far as battery swaps, personally, I don’t think I’d ever wanna do that because I know what the health of my battery is based off of what I get when I recharge it.

I swap out a battery, I make it one that now has 80% of range or less. It’s a crapshoot with battery you’re gonna get put back in car. So I’d much rather spend the time at a charging station getting my battery up to the condition that I know I get up to this amount and I know I’m be able to drive this far as long as I’m, you know, not driving like a total ticket.

Which you know, for me is kind of hard to do. Kinda Dean’s point, it probably will work great for fleets for individual users. You’re taking a big risk there unless you’re on a subscription plan where you just don’t care what battery you get and you know, don’t have to worry about what batteries in there when you turn in your lease.

Well I mean for most people a car is an appliance. They really don’t care Exactly until they can’t get to the next stop. Some of those people shouldn’t be driving EVs. I did training for all the fleet owners of the Ultra EV back in 1998 and I would tell them, you are not driving a car. You are operating an airplane that operates on the [00:58:00] ground.

When you fly outta LAX to go to Chicago, you’re assuming the pilot check the fuel gauge before they take off. You don’t get up to 30,000 feet and say, oh shit, will we bear land in Phoenix? We don’t have enough fuel to get to Chicago. You have to do the same thing with an electric vehicle. You also have to take into account elevation change.

Driving Redondo Beach to Big Bear is a lot different drive than Big Bear to Redondo Beach, even though it’s the same mileage and not just elevation. When a gas vehicle you, you ignore this, but temperature and weather effect range and winds here. Yeah. Oh absolutely. Yeah. The extra drag just from water being on the rain from the rain.

Well, and also if you wanna actually run the heater, I mean that was, yes, on the early EVs of the late nineties heat and AC was a huge killer on rain. Volkswagen in the US did not fit a heat pump on the ID four, so it is entirely resistive heat. So yeah, in the winter I can feel the pain. In addition to having to heat the battery.

AC is actually a lot better than it used to be. The range hit for AC is not that bad anymore, but yeah, heat heat’s a big one. [00:59:00] You don’t get that free heat anymore from all those explosions under the hood, right? Yeah. If you guys are talking about range, range anxiety, different driving conditions, weather, et cetera, Dan brought to our attention a story about some journalists that compared a brand new Chevy Silverado with its six and a half liter V8 against the new Ford Lightning EV truck while towing a camper.

I think some of your facts there are wrong. Oh, are they? It was a GMC with the 6.2 liter. Oh, my bad. Yes, whatever. It’s an Ls something or other against the new Ford Lightning Towing, the exact same A t C camper that weighed in about 6,000 pounds. And the results were shocking. They sat down and did all this math basically north of Denver, but working their way south.

Moved about a thousand feet in elevation. And you know, they said We’re gonna go 150 miles on this charge, even though the Ford Lightning can go 300 on its projected [01:00:00] battery range and all this kind of thing. And Dan, what did they end up going? 40 V made it half of the distance to what they had planned to travel.

They had to recharge it to get it back to the drop off point for the camper. They, they want about 85. 85 miles or 85 or 89 miles, they did not go far. Correct. And the Silverado made it to where they were and back, and then filled up again. Still had gas left over. And so when you’re doing all that complicated mental gymnastics about is it worth it or not, one of the points they made was, we knew that the lightning wasn’t gonna be as good as that G M C, but.

We needed to do a real world test because they said themselves, we could have put a, you know, a water tank behind here on a flat trailer that’ve been way more aerodynamic. But that’s not what people are towing around with their trucks. That’s not where they’re going to the hardware store to get. As we know, Tanya goes to get mulch.

That’s what everybody’s in line for with their pickup truck. So your pallet of mulch on the back of your pickup truck is going to severely decrease the overall range of the [01:01:00] vehicle. So I thought this test was very telling and very truthful. Instead of all this marketing fluff, because we’ve said it before, am I ready to run out and replace my tow rig tomorrow with a rivian or with a lightning?

Heck no, because I won’t make it to Watkins Glen or even Summit Point on a single charge. I mean, summit Point is about, let’s say 80 miles from my house. I won’t make it there. Right. I will literally be running on, I don’t know what the equivalent of fumes is in electrons, but I won’t get there. Didn’t Sam say that there’s somebody who shows up at maybe at Summit Point going his mito Caribbean, but he didn’t say how many times that guy had to stop on the way or how far he is traveling?

How many electric stations are there on the way to some point? A lot, actually. It depends on where he is coming from. Not that many. Probably for that particular one, I think it’s about a 40 mile, one way trip to that guy, if I understand correctly. They have charging stations at Summer Point. Yeah, but I just wanna make two observations about this video.

Cause it was a YouTube video that [01:02:00] we watched. Point number one, the guy brought up, one of my main concerns about all these charging stations are pulling only. Yeah. And you have to back out and you, you’ve got a trailer behind you. The only way to do it and not block an entire row of traffic is to completely decouple the trailer, then pull up charge, go back, recouple the trailer, and then be on your way for another 80 miles.

It’s a hassle. It’s completely absurd. That’ll double the length of your trip if you gotta do this over and over and over again. Well, not only that, if they change the positioning of the charging stations where you could pull in up against them, you know where they’re parallel to you, you’d still be blocking 12 other charging stations that are in the same direction because now you’re 40 feet long.

And so they’re not taking into account, they’re not future proofing these charging stations where, what people might be using them for to that point. I mean, we block the gas pumps. It’s so awkward, but it, I mean, we only do it for five minutes and then we’re gone. How long does the charging take From like [01:03:00] 9% to get to a hundred?

Yeah, that guy took like an hour charging only got it up to, what was it like 75? 75%. The guy in the Silverado or whatever. He made it all the way back to their original gas station while the other dude had just set off from where he was charging and he wasn’t fully charged. Yeah, I mean, that’s the problem.

That’s what we keep talking about. In a passenger vehicle like Mike and Chrissy’s in the ID four, it’s a lot easier. You’re not carrying around all this other stuff like we’re accustomed to like the motorsports and vehicle enthusiasts that are maybe moving their show car or taking their track car somewhere or going camping.

That’s always the big thing. Like, I want to go camping. There’s no charging station on the mountain. You know, that kind of deal. And it makes it just a challenge for everybody. Right. And my second observation about the video is more just. It irked me this 22 minute video. I don’t know how these people have a million subscribers.

This 22 minute video could have been done in five minutes. If we cut out 15 minutes of, let’s hear from our sponsor here. We’re advertising, blah, blah, blah, blah, [01:04:00] blah. This is this and this is that. Oh my God. I’m sure these, these guys are perfectly nice guys. The one guy in the trailing vehicle, oh my God, he was about as mountain manana as you can get.

But the rest of the video, it could have been done in five minutes. I don’t know why I needed a 22 minute video. You’re such a millennial. Your attentions pan is all of nothing anymore. I did not need to hear about their sponsor at the gas station and then their sponsor at this, and their sponsor. That’s how they make some of the money that they have though, to do.

This is where we’re failing. But anyway. Well, we need 22 minute long videos. I was gonna say this whole, this whole comparison exercise was completely pointless. They did not do. A tug of war between the F-150 and the GMC C. That’s the only test that ever matters with the electric pickup trucks. No, they should have run them around the Nurburg ring tok.

That’s the only thing that matters. That’s true. What laptop do you have at the rink? Yeah, your F150 Lightning. That’s tok. But I’ve actually, I have [01:05:00] a quick question. Maybe it’s not that quick. But since we have so many EV experts on, I’m pro ev, like once we can set up the infrastructure, so I don’t want this to come off like I, I’m anti ev like vehicles, but what happens to those burnt out batteries?

What happens to an electric vehicle when it’s no longer a viable vehicle? Volkswagen actually put this in their plan. No, no, no. She already answered her own question Earlier. You club the baby seal and dump it in the ocean. Thank you. Thank you. Well cause so like my Jeep or Steve’s Jeep and my Honda are both metal bodies.

The Jeep does have a fiberglass top, but like if those two vehicles are totaled tomorrow, heaven forbid, I can sell ’em for scrap metal. People are gonna want parts off of ’em. They can be completely ved out. Like even the seats can be like Ved up and turned into more seats. What happens when somebody totals their Prius?

That’s all plastic and uranium. So the battery packs, [01:06:00] Volkswagen is building factories to recycle 90 to 95% of the content of the battery pack itself. So they can take a battery pack, recycle it, reclaim 95, 90 to 95% of the material. Impressive. You have the ability to reclaim most of those precious metals that are going into that.

For some reason, Volkswagen decide to make every body panel on that damn thing. Steel. So, so much different from generic for the carbon fiber or plastic. How long ago was Saturn making cars entirely outta plastic? I mean, that’s not a new problem. That’s sort of my question is with like more and more of, you know, all the fiberglass in that lake, I, I’m an idiot.

What happens if somebody totals their 2007 Prius right now? I don’t know what Toyota has in terms of what their infrastructure is for recycling batteries. It goes back to standardization, right? We don’t have an answer to this yet. It’s developing. There are multiple places that are looking, people are gonna figure out how to make money recycling batteries because of the raw materials.

You leave a lead battery out, someone will [01:07:00] steal it because there’s recycling value in it. A good reason to have an EV car versus an SUV is it’s harder for someone to get under and steal your battery, like to do with catalytic converters. Right. Well, unfortunately, I’m gonna say this cause I know firsthand the lead battery value has dropped in half in the past couple years, so it’s not as good as it used to be.

Yeah. That’s true. I wanna go back to the truck thing real quick because we have an ev. We’ve owned it for a year. We drive it daily. I bought a new truck. I bought a gas truck. I will say the 0.7 miles per kilowatt hour, they got on that lightning and that test is abysmal, not totally outta the wrong possible.

In the winter, I get two, four. In the summer I get three, two. But you’re not pulling a thousand pounds. Well, yeah, no, I’m not pulling, I’m not pulling a trailer. The EV stations right now, no. They’re meant for people who are buying vehicles that are commuting and, and DC fast charges is meant for people who are trying to get far distances.

It’s not meant for everyday use. So, and that regard is not suited for trucks. There are people that are trying to make EV stations that are a bit more like gas stations where everything will be pull [01:08:00] through Electrify America just releases design for what their new stations are gonna look like, where they actually look like gas stations and they have this inside lounge for you going and sitting in and relax while the car is charging as opposed to being in a a Walmart parking lot.

Or our favorite ones actually as on the sheets in Mont. Cause you know, we all love sheets. That one you back up to. Yeah. You have no choice but to back up and it’s only four spots. But yeah, so towing with is not reasonable right now. The Ford Lightning, honestly, in my opinion, is for the. I need to drive a truck, but I wanna drive an EV crowd and I need to buy five bags of mulch once a decade.

Crew. I think it’s a really cool truck in terms of, you know what it is. But I don’t think, you know, these F-150 Lightnings and these GMC Hummers serve anything more than to make their numbers look good. As a manufacturer, we need more things that are people-centric and smaller for the earlier EVs. Couple things that I had mentioned when I sent the video over is I think a better comparison just because I think this is a kind of an [01:09:00] apples to oranges type thing.

Cause they used the Chevy truck and the Ford ev. I think it would’ve been cool to see the gas Ford version of the F-150 compared to the EV version of it. Cuz that would’ve been same truck, just different powertrains in it. And then one of the things the guy brought up in it is like if they go to the lake, there’s no charging place at the lake.

So for people to like all parkings, such as myself, like say, say we were to go to a trip to the Cove again as a group and somebody two out there with an ev. Who’s bringing the generator? Charge it up for the weekend while we’re there to get back home. It self generates. Remember, you just plug itself into its generator and it keeps going.

Yeah, that was a hilarious video. We talked about that last month. But you know, who’s throwing caution to the wind and saying, we’re not worried about EVs right now. A name that you probably haven’t thought of in a while, and they’re gonna come back really strong and make a big splash with a car known as.

The evolution to play off of that. Number 11 comes in from Mitubishi saying they’re gonna come back with an EVO 11. They’ve been talking about this since [01:10:00] 2019 though. It’s gonna be an version. Isn’t the LAN an SUV now? No, the The Eclipse an suv I, yes, that is true. I’m gonna ask one simple question. When was the last time you saw Mitsubishi dealership that didn’t sell HVAC equipment there?

There’s one by my house, believe it or not, opened up in Redondo Beach. I’d have checked if there’s still the one in Fred or not. Now, I know in this article it’s just an artist rendering of what the EVO 11 would look like. I hate to say I’m shamefully unimpressed by it because it looks like a bunch of LEDs strapped to an Evo 10 and they kind of squish the headlights off of a G T I.

I’m not a big fan of it, and I don’t think anybody really cares, and not because I’m not a fan of it. We’ve forgotten about Mitsubishi. I, again, I beg the question, do they even really make cars anymore? Yeah, I understand that they make air conditioners and, and utility trucks. But in the United States, I know we covered this before, there just isn’t a network anymore.

I don’t even know why they’re trying even electric DeLorean. Well, we are getting an electric DeLorean, and that was a whole nother [01:11:00] episode into itself. Famous steel baby. So here’s where Eric’s question is flawed. What do we think of Mitsubishi? And the answer is we don’t. We don’t. A hundred percent. The Evo level will come out right after the next Rotary, ma Mazda, oh Lord, don’t even get me started on that.

Well, now that I’ve thoroughly lowered your expectations, Lower expectation. Let’s talk about the ability to buy a brand new Chevy Square body today. Dan, would you like to, would you care to enlighten us on this article that you brought to our attention? It’s mixed feelings on this article, but it’s not a brand new car though.

You have to supply them with a, they they’re, they’re doing the a singer thing for the additional money. They will source one out. Yeah, but they take the GM square body and they basically do a retro mod where they put newer chassis underneath of it, newer drive train. So it’s not necessarily new, but they do go through and basically redo the body completely.

And if it’s a [01:12:00] rusted out one, they fix all the messed up panels and everything. But I can’t wrap my head around the prices they’re charging cuz it’s in the six figures to do this one, one where you, you supply it. I mean, I love rest of my stuff with any of the old classic vehicles putting a newer, more modern drive chain that it’s much more efficient in it, but, I just, I, I love seeing my square bodies on the road, but I can’t, it just hurts to see the price there.

Ask. And what is the price? What is that price Dan in? In the six figures? Over six figures? I think the one they were saying it could be like 120 grand for you to do it. It ranges between one 50 and two 50. Yes. But I did a little bit of research and it looks like 30 grand of that is between the motor and trans itself.

We need to put them in touch with Chaz cuz they’ll be able to get the engines shit lot cheaper. Chaz cannot get you an LT four supercharged motor for less than 16 grand. You need to work out a sponsorship deal with them where you supply them with 50 of your square bottles you have on the mountain and they build you too.

No, no, I can’t, can’t do that. Brad hit right on the point that I was gonna make, which is [01:13:00] realistically mountain man. What do you think you could build one of these four if you were doing it. I wanna know the number. Like what do you think? New sourced parts. I’m not talking about going to Chaz’s and picking up, uh, steering column out of a Ford Mercury sable wagon to put in your square body because this one of the square bodies all rested out.

I’m talking about new LT four motor, new eight speed transmission. Legit, like what they’re doing. You couldn’t do it for less than 150 grand before he answers. Is he also calculating in his time, value of money hours spent on this build? They’re buying all crate supplied stuff. Well, Daniel’s gonna take 20 years to build it and we can’t go by Eric’s numbers cuz nobody can afford those.

My numbers are realistic. You mean actual numbers from suppliers? Yeah. Tho nobody can afford No, I’m talking as in time, his, his time for money. I mean, you have to set a value for your labor. Let’s say it’s a hundred bucks an hour. This thing’s gonna cost you a hundred grand to build, dude, no. Doesn’t matter how you [01:14:00] cut this pie.

How, how’d that, uh, $2 basket repair work out for you? Let’s not talk about that. Alright? Cause I’m gonna throw you under the bus with that. It’s not, it’s not the same, Daniel. I mean, we’re, we’re bringing up an interesting question. A hundred dollars an hour in labor, new sourced parts. How much could you build one of these for using a truck you already have?

And it’s gotta be the same quality that they’re putting out, which means you gotta deal with all the cancer that your trucks have and everything else. I’m not saying these are concore square bodies, but these are nice trucks. I, I’m not saying they’re not. I’m gonna take my square body to the concore, they, any guns.

I haven’t sat down and thought about what it would be, but I know for the Duramax swap I’m doing on my one. As of right now, parts wise, I’m into it. I’ve gots power training and everything. I’m into it for probably about six grand for parts and then body work. When that truck’s said and done, I’m probably gonna be maybe another two grand into it.

Body work wise, what? What are you talking about? [01:15:00] I can’t get a paint job on a 20 year old Volkswagen for two grand. What are you talking about? That’s, that’s too random. Bondo. Yeah, I was gonna say, what are you talking about? No, cause see, that’s the thing. All I have is I think one floor pan I need to weld in on the truck that I’m going for that, cause the rest of that truck isn’t rusted out.

So that one’s good to go on that. Oh, he says, he says with such confidence. And when was the where, where did that motor come from? Chaz, no, that’s not a new motor that’s not purchased from Ja. That’s not a crate motor from, yeah. Summit racing or whatever. Yeah. No, but, okay, so for Crate motor, for the l i, ma’am, you can get a crate motor for those for, I’ve seen ’em as cheap as about 12 grand.

Okay. 12 grand is a lot of money. We’re already five figures. We’re five figures in, we’re starting there. Yeah. I mean, breathe in with the good out with the bad. Right. But I mean, I agree the, the price is too high for a square body, but I can see how they got there. A hundred percent. If you look at all of these resto mods, whether it’s the singers, the Ferrari, the Astons [01:16:00] that are being converted to EVs, when they throw these six figure price tags out there, 150 grand.

I’m not saying it’s a number to sneeze at, but it’s a realistic number because there’s thousands of man hours involved in taking a vehicle that old and bringing it to this level with all new parts. And you also factor in a lot of these companies that are doing Speak on just like the Resto shows that you watch, the prices they threw out there are high.

But they have a lot of overhead and everything for the cost of business as well. It’s incorporated into that perks. Dude, they already got you beat. They can do a full car in like a 45 minute episode. What the hell are you? What have you been doing this whole time? Daniel doesn’t have any overhead though.

A hundred percent. He’s got zero overhead. Yep. I don’t, I don’t have that high uh, speed laps cameras yet. You gonna get them and record me? I don’t know that people wanna see that. No, nobody wants to see that. But there’s another car that people do wanna see, and I think Tanya wants to talk about this.

Who’s designing their own car to add to the bespoke pile of cars now? Let’s skip it. Let’s skip it. This is the will. I am bs. That happened like 10 years ago. Just, just throw this article [01:17:00] away. Don’t even talk about it. Let’s move on. What’s the next article we’re talking about? You don’t wanna talk about Kanye?

No, no, no. I’m, I’m gonna let you finish, but Beyonce deserve that award. Kanye West is designing a foam. Yes. I said foam concept car. We’ll just leave it at that and move on cuz there’s no other details other than this is being made by people who know how to make Nike shoes. It’s a Yeezy. He’s making a Yeezy car.

It looks like a Playschool playmobile. But when I read foam car, I immediately went. Oh, demolition man. Murder. Death, kill murder. Death. Kill the race car, kid bed is what I see. I thought it was one of those things you put in a cup of water and then it expands. Oh, I remember those. Yeah, you guys, it’s called Summers.

It’s sponsored by Nickelodeon. It’s gonna come on neon, orange and green and shoots G at you G. [01:18:00] The foam model of a car. And he thought it was dumb and that’s why I started marketing. You know what it really is? You know what it really is? It’s a cry for help. I’m a musical genius. Yes, I can make a car too.

Is it the safety car? It’s rich people doing rich people fangs just like this. Be Lamborghini that sold for. An amount that I don’t understand. It reads seven and a half million or 73 billion. Again, like that other article we read about the Xang, the information is wildly all over the place and exaggerated.

But all I know is that it’s a gold pleated Lamborghini reminiscent of the gold DeLorean from back in the day. I don’t know who bought it or who wanted it or who commissioned it, but the best celebrity design car, hands down was when Homer Simpson designed his dream car. Yes, yes, yes. That truly was a landmark achievement in automobile product planning.

Whoever bought the Lamborghini was definitely Saudi, cuz they’re the ones with money. [01:19:00] I agree with that now, talking about rich people, doing rich people things. There’s another car that came across my desk that I was suddenly intrigued about and I mentioned the brand when we were doing the trivia section.

John Warner the fourth, owned a Deto Mazo Panera. We haven’t heard about Deto Mazo in quite a long time, right? The last one that came out, it got transferred to Qva and they had the manuta came back and all this kind of thing, and then they, the name just sort of disappeared, but it lingers and then suddenly they introduced something known as the P 72.

And I look at this. And immediately I think the Glick Andhas LMP two car or LMP one car, depending on, you know, how you look at things. I’m baffled and I’m intrigued and I salivate, and then I just go, why? I can’t not look at this thing. I am completely captivated by this car. It is so retro and yet so modern all at the same time.

I think it’s absolutely amazing except for those doors. I love it. Sign me up. I mean, why not? I mean, do you [01:20:00] think there’s a place for Deto Mazo in this world? It’s a brand that’s been gone for so long. I. Like DeLorean because like three people are gonna buy it. So 90% of the time the doors are gonna be shut.

So what are you worried about Eric? I got a thing about weird doors. These doors are better than the DeLorean doors. The Alpha 20. Well say, here’s the real question. Would you be excited if Kanye West said he designed it? I think I’d be scared. Scared I’d be aur. Well, it’s time to move on to Tanya’s favorite section.

We need to migrate south to talk about our favorite Lord. We’re actually going around the world to all the different Florida men across the globe. You can take the man out of Florida, but you can’t take the Florida out of the man. That is very true. I think this first one has, uh, you wanted to talk about as we start our journey in Europe.

Yes. In Spain, there was an Irish bloke driving his Porsche nine 11, [01:21:00] you know, cruising, you know, nice low Sunday drive. He happened to be going 177 miles an hour. Is that all? Yeah. In a 75 mile an hour zone. Basically the Spanish people put him in jail. Yeah, I mean they’re, they’re very strict over there. I mean, how did they catch ’em?

They’re all driving Sayat, Leons that are like 1.6 liter diesels. It’s amazing. It was Steve Wade and his Apache helicopter called. Oh really? Matsu was actually like monitoring this from the video. Did you not watch the video? Oh, it’s amazing. How they catch him is amazing. So they’ve got him like on helicopter, they’re chasing him, and then you see him, he slows down, he starts passing some cars at what seemed maybe a more normal speed.

Then they came back out and there’s just like this sea of like concrete and you’re like, where is he driving? So he rolls up to like 20 gates of a toll plaza. And he’s like the only car there. And then a police car [01:22:00] comes like this little say up and just like blocks him in the toll booth.

So that is how he is caught. And Spanish laws very severe. Anything 80 kilometers an hour over the posted speed limit can come with a large fine revocation of your license for up to four years. Uh, and even jail time is very much like Southern Virginia when it comes to their speeding laws. Southern Virginia, you mean?

Just Virginia. Well, Northern Virginia, there’s a lot of idiots driving fast. You coming outta DC and everything and the cops are a little more lenient. But if you’re in down South Virginia, you’re going to jail with Buford. I have a correction to that. Brad. In Northern Virginia, there’s a lot of people driving 10 miles under speed limit in the passing lane.

And then you’ve got people in the right lane going 150 miles an hour. So it balances out usually in a bmw, but you know, we’ll leave that where it’s Or an Audi. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So you brought up the guy in Spain during hundred 70, whatever, but you left out the idiot on Maryland’s [01:23:00] own auto bond Route 10.

The police recently did a speeding enforcement activity involving an air unit, and they caught a Ford Mustang doing 169 on Route 10. It was after cars and coffee, so we all expected, that’s not really news anymore. Is it there Mike? It was a Monday. Oh, again. Well, again, you know, who knows? It was Holiday Monday.

Cars and coffee. Just say well, took them till Monday to get the car started. The, the news is he didn’t do a burnouts taken off out of there and hit people a thousand percent. That is, that is good news. Breaking news. Breaking news. So now we’ll go cross the pond and we’ll go down to the S swamp. So, it’s been a while since we’ve had the Florida man on a lawnmower story,

but yet again, we have Florida man tries to flee deputies on their riding lawnmower. Oh, this is high quality. Have these people not figured out that the top speed of a riding lawnmower is like 27? Why? [01:24:00] But this is a zero turn. He’s got the maneuverability that is an autocross capable piece of lawn equipment right there.

Yes. So he could’ve had them because they were pursuing on foot. Have you guys not seen the racing lawn mowers? Oh my god. I’ve seen them at, I’ve seen a mid 75, 80. I’ve definitely, oh my God. They did finally get him by use of taser, so they didn’t use a Pete maneuver on foot. How, wait, hold on. Wait, wait, wait, wait.

How do you, Pete maneuver a riding lawnmower when you’re on foot? Are you kicking the back tires, like with your shoe? Like how does that work? It’s a football tackle. Oh. Oh, okay. I got you. Ah, you’ll have to check out the, uh, Steve Jessop. He’s got, uh, skit one where he’s on a ride mower and gets tased for riding down the road while drinking.

I’m glad you added the wild drinking cuz that makes it make more sense. Say the full body tackle maneuver, we call the Johnny Utah. Johnny Utah. [01:25:00] The people who have seen point break get it. Oh yeah, yeah, I get it. We’re picking up what you’re putting down. We’re gonna jump back over the pond again. This time go to England where I’m not really sure I understand this article.

British drivers are apparently furious over this nonsense air con rule that can land them 5,000 pound fines. So air con air conditioner. So apparently they can be, I don’t know how, but they can be fined if their car is not properly ventilated in warm weather. What I’m lost as to whether they’re getting fined for running the air condition or not running the air condition in their car.

My guess is running the air conditioner. Doubt anyone would ever be taken to court for not running the air con under this ventilation law as somewhere in the chain. There must be someone who understands this well, someone will pay this fine, they’re, they’re gonna fine for not using their condition. I’m only speaking from when I lived there close to 20 years ago.

But air conditioning in a car was a rare thing in England [01:26:00] because the temperatures don’t get that high during the summer. So hundred and four right now. Maybe it doesn’t apply to me. It’s a very confusing, I loved one person comment, a rule thought up by Imus idiot. But you know what? I have an I Ignor ninth grade solution to this, which is to cover my car in stickers that say Lucas.

And that way I get a free pass in saying that it’s busted. Anyway, I can’t use it. So who is the Florida man in this article? It’s not the British drivers. I think it’s the British government. I It’s whoever created that rules. Yes, that I ignor

all. So now we’re. Oh more PT Cruiser Terrace. Well, I don’t know what his car is anymore. Dodge Strattice jumping over a bridge. This is very close. It might be that same person, ladies and gentlemen. Oh, okay. So you need to click the, at Ms P West [01:27:00] MI Twitter to watch the full video from the dash cam of the officer that was merging onto the highway as this person, I don’t know what vehicle apparently flew by him at what is alleged to be 90 miles an hour in a 60 mile an hour work zone, and he lost control and shot off the road up in Dukes.

A fricking hazard like you see him shoot in the air and then like go down into like some ditch lose control of my ass. Dude wasn’t paying attention. Watch the video. He just drives straight off. There was no confusion that the lanes in the construction zone like disappeared. No effort. Didn’t turn his steering wheel.

My guess is it was Tesla autopilot. I think it was like that guy who wrecked that GT 40, who was only doing 20 miles an hour in first gear. You remember him down in Florida and on the golf course. Yeah. I think this story and that story are also very similar. It did boo, and you just see the 10 lights is good.

It’s good. Hopefully he wasn’t hurt. [01:28:00] Hopefully he wasn’t hurt, but you know, we haven’t had a Wisconsin man before Wisconsin. I heard the cheese is really good there. It’s the cheesiest. It’s pretty hot too. Gas prices are high, times are tough. He was in his own garage. I don’t know. He was tightening gas. How do y’all siphon gas?

I mean, this article tells you to just go to your local AutoZone and buy the gas siphoning apparatus for cheap. But if you can’t do that, don’t do what this guy did. Use your wet drive back and blow up your garage. So what are you uh, I mean I thought you were gonna say he drank like a liter of gasoline cuz he is really an alcoholic, you know, by doing it the old fashioned way.

Nope. I don’t know which wet drive back it was. But it ended with burning down his garage and part of his home maybe can a wet dry that crate that much compression in chamber to ignite the fuel. The spark, yeah. The spark for the fumes as it’s going in. Yeah. Electricity and everything. Yeah. [01:29:00] Don’t do it kids.

Tanya, did you see the most interesting bit at the end of this article? Which was that do tell w Wisconsin suffers 1.3 more fire deaths per thousand than the national average asterisk as a result of fond dew pots melting cheese. I mean, I mean, when you’re blowing up your garage, I kind of wanna see this in action.

Like I need a Bill Nye the science guy or MythBusters on can you blow up your house with a wet drive back sucking up gasoline? Because I’m sure there’s somebody out there who has spilled gas in their garage and went, I got an idea. I’m gonna vacuum it up. So Eric, you did that. You did it, didn’t you? My Dyson didn’t explode.

That’s all I’m saying. It is a good vacuum cleaner. Dyson guarantees it will never lose suction. That’s all I’m saying. Someone did say, didn’t make a YouTube video shop back and spill gas. Will it explode? Kids at [01:30:00] home, don’t try this. It’s TikTok trend. There will be a TikTok of this. It’s gonna look like Atos Fred.

You throw it in a Diet Coke, end of story mushroom. It’ll be that person’s last. TikTok, we will round out Florida man with a number best Lord a man, and like this is another one we haven’t seen in a while. Naked Florida man climbs on big rigs throwing highway into chaos. And there’s like a close up shot of naked man.

She didn’t need to see. It’s a lot of naked man, but apparently like the highway was moving at the time, it wasn’t like stop traffic. So somehow he, he was able to get onto a big rig. Dunno the details, but is this the same guy that reenacted the Indiana Jones thing? Remember? And he was also naked hanging from the front of a Peterbilt.

This was like in season one of the drive-through. Like, this is not the first time I’ve [01:31:00] heard you tell this story about Florida naked people and big rigs going down the highway. He trying to get on a Mad Max Road style. Like he’s just swinging on a little uh, pole or something. Oh.

Did he board said moving vehicle clothed and disrobe while on it? Or was he in the buff while boarding? Because that’s brave. I think he was in the buff and it’s one of those tractor trailers that like it’s got the low, it’s not like has the box on it. So just had the bed that was like super low flatbed, probably carrying like a bulldozer or something, like one of those kinds so he could probably theoretically have ran and like jumped on it.

It’s also raining in the photo, so no, there weren’t clothes. So shrinkage ra. Wait, wait. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Ran. What are these people in Florida like? The flash. We have the police chasing lawnmowers on foot and like drop kicking ’em. And now we got guys running alongside of big rigs naked. [01:32:00] And what the hell is going on down there?

Look, people jog. Okay. It’s hot down there. It’s, you know, maybe the clothing would’ve made him run slower. God bless Florida. God bless Florida. Oh, he’s not fully naked though. He still sock sock. He’s got his socks on

so he doesn’t burn his feet. Oh God. Florida man never changed. Never changed. The unidentified nudist executed his dash and Mount Amid driving rain and moving cars. I wish they wouldn’t use the word mount.

It was moist. No, it was very moist. Does he get a citation for not using air condition? Has he mounted big rig? It’s time we go behind the pit wall and quickly talk about Motorsports News. So what’s hot in the Formula One Open Wheel world there, Brad and Tanya. Well, you skipped over the [01:33:00] NASCAR news and just to touch on that for a hot second, apparently NASCAR’s gonna be running a street track in downtown Chicago.

Boom. Next o. Okay, I’m gonna tune in. There is a new series coming to Hulu about F1 racing and stuff. You know, something else, Eric, we’ll never watch a hundred percent. Daniel Ricciardo has been pegged as one of the executive producers. Hopefully he makes it not cheesy or overly dramatic or fake. I have an issue with how they talk about his racing prowess.

He’s not Eton Senna or Louis Hamilton or Michael Schumacher. He’s only won eight races in F1 people. He’s not like a champion or anything like that, so whatever. It’s the same thing as like if Kevin Magnuson was, was doing this, whatever, but yeah, there’s an F1 show coming out. Eric won’t watch it. We’ll have to tell you how it is, but you know what?

I honed in on Brad? No. Where it says, Danny, Rick and Hulu teaming up for scripted F1 TV show and immediately I [01:34:00] said, well, Netflix already has drive five. What the hell is this? Right? It doesn’t make any sense at all. You know what’s gonna be, uh, a comedy like that show that was on Netflix about the NASCAR season that they canceled after one season?

The one with Kevin James in it. I can’t remember what it was called, but it was actually pretty good. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. That was in a bad, that wasn’t a bad film. No, it was a pretty good show. They just dropped it. But there’s also another docuseries, air Night Watch. This one is being led, I guess, development by Keanu Reeves, greatest person of all time, wants to develop a docuseries around Ross’s Bran and Bran gp, who apparently they were two time champions Bran GP four one again, who.

I mean, you lost me at Ke Reeves because he’s gonna be like, oh no, Kung fu I, I mean, I get it. He’s like into bikes and all this other kind of stuff. I, I’m happy there’s another Hollywood celebrity that is into cars. If you tell me, yeah, okay, we’re doing another Peter Brock [01:35:00] film or we’re gonna do something about Hurley Haywood or whatever.

Fine, but this, whatever, okay, I’ll watch it. It’s kind of sorta of up there with my attention span of like the lady in the Dale and some of the other stuff. I’ll get around to it when I get around to it. It’s actually pretty interesting. So Honda pulled out F1 back in 2008, but there was a team that they had that they just decided we’re not gonna fund.

So the principal of the team bought it from Honda for one pound. He renamed it Bra GP was Ross Braun, and then they had Jensen Button and Rubens Bar driving and they won the 2009 season in 2010. Oh, so this is the rich energy car now I’m interested. I got it. Got it, got it. There’s also going to be an Enzo Ferrari TV series coming to Apple Plus after Ford versus Ferrari.

I think we’re due for an Enzo Ferrari movie or, or something. I know that’s been talked about for quite some time. I’m wondering who they’re gonna cast to play Enzo. I, I know there’s been some things we’ve been floating around, I think we mentioned on some previous episodes, so I’m curious to see where that ends up.

But I wanna know any [01:36:00] drama in the F1 world? Did Mick Schumacher blow up another car again, or, you know, the Ferrari’s actually finishing a race? What’s going on? So, yeah, Carlos, I, his car broke, so he did not finish the race. The last race that they had, which was. That was the Red Bull ring, I think. Austria.

Austria, yeah. Charles Le Cleric won, but he was having pedal issues. So he was literally pulling the, the accelerator pedal back up with his foot to get it to set and then putting it down and pulling it up. I It was still staying engaged. Like 30% or something? Oh yeah. Yeah. It wouldn’t come back. So he would push it down and it wouldn’t come back.

So he had to manually force it to come. Uh, so he did that as the last few relapses of the race still managed to beat for stop him. And then Lewis Hamilton got a podium. He came in third again. Yep. He’s making his comeback people. Uh, yeah. Uhhuh Uhhuh right there with Danny Rick. As we move on to sports, car racing and prototype racing Ferrari, the new L M D H prototype for the [01:37:00] LeMans 2023 race, the spy photos have been leaked, and I tell you what.

It kind of looks like every other Ferrari right now, but this triple rear wing and the front airfoil and everything, I mean, and I know it’s hard to discern from the, the camouflage that they’re using, but I’m excited that this car actually exists. I mean, we heard Ferrari made their bid for 2023, but nobody’s heard or seen anything until now.

We’ve seen the Cadillac, we’ve seen the Porsche, we’ve seen a, a bunch of other cars like the Pojo and nine x eight and things like that. But now Ferrari said here it is, although we can’t discern what it is, we know what color it will eventually be. But I’m excited about this. I’m excited to see Ferrari back on the big stage with everybody else for next season.

It looks like a pre-historic catfish. There is something very ProMag about the new Ferrari, that is for sure. But again, I’m excited. I’m glad there’s more manufacturers. Coming to the table for next year. I’m, I’m really, really looking forward to that. [01:38:00] And why is that, Eric? Because I’m gonna be in France mm-hmm.

With my friends, and I’m gonna be there live to watch it. So if anybody’s gonna be there, give us a shout out, let us know. But, uh, I’m really, really excited to be there for the hundredth anniversary of Lamonts. And you know what, 10 years from now, there’ll be the hundredth running of lemons as well. So there’ll be another hundredth to celebrate.

Oh, snap. Congratulations. Thank you. Thank you. All right, onto some quick local news. As we wrap up the show here, I just wanna remind all of our listeners, if you’ve been under a rock and you’re a G T M member, we introduce something new. This month we’ve been working really, really hard on something we call the clubhouse.

All sorts of updated functionality that you already loved. Some of our features like where you at lap time, leaderboards discounts and more. They are all now designed to work on your mobile device, your phone, or your tablet. A hundred percent something that the main GTM site was really, really lacking as it kind of stands as a digital magazine, right?

So the new [01:39:00] clubhouse designed for GTM members with a lots of new stuff coming in the next couple of months. So be on the lookout for that. And if you haven’t logged on, check out club.gt motorsports.org. And before we get into upcoming events, which Brad likes to tell us about for next month, I wanna talk about an event that happened this month.

Snakes on the Mountain, where I went up and met with Mike Ccha from Havoc Performance along with Andrew Bank. I got to drive Andrew’s Viper, as did Brad, and I wanted to get his take on what the Viper was like. Not only did I get to drive his Viper, I also got to drive his c8. So it was, it was a win-win day for me that day.

But there are a couple things. I was uncomfortable. The one word I can use to describe it was uncomfortable. One, it was too tiny, like too tight inside, both the C eight and the Viper. And I was uncomfortable because it wasn’t my car. I was uncomfortable because I didn’t know the roads we were on. There were a lot of things that were going on that just made me uncomfortable.

But [01:40:00] one thing that came to mind after driving both cars is. Danny Glover and Lethal Weapon two constantly saying, I’m too old for this shit. I’m walking away from those two cars. And the Viper was amazingly fast. It was brutal. It was, it shook you. It vibrated the whole time and you burn your leg when you get out of it.

It’s an animal. And then the, the C eight was like driving a a Camry. Of course, Andrew tells me it’s because I was driving it like a Camry. When I say I’m too old for this shit, I think I’ve reached the peak and I’m starting to come down from my desire to one Ultrafast cars. I think I’m just. I’m not interested anymore in going any faster than the car that I have can go.

Now I’m ju I, I don’t want to do it on the street. I’m not interested in doing it on a racetrack really, cuz I’m just, I just don’t have that drive or desire anymore. And part of it could be because I have, you know, a kid now, part of it could be cuz I’m just getting older and I can see my own mortality.

[01:41:00] My mind is shifting from super fast cars to more luxurious, comfortable cruisers. Uh, in, in a sense. Aw, Brad’s all grown up. Now he’s ready for a Buick. No. But I am ready for like a Alexis SC 500 or something like that. I haven’t driven the C eight yet. I still wanna coach in a CA eight. I think that’s what’s gonna sell me on it as, as everybody says, how good it is.

I know we talked about the C eight on this show for almost an entire year about all his defects and its issues, and does Brad fit? That’s always the big question. I’m really surprised you fit in the Viper because if you are uncomfortable, I don’t know how uncomfortable you were because I was uncomfortable in the Viper and I, I’m not nearly as as tall as you are to get inside that thing.

That cockpit is tiny. I will say the driving experience, there is one word to describe it. I’ve coached in Vipers driving is very different. It’s visceral. Right. It is just so raw, but also it’s the laziest, fastest engine you’ve ever had [01:42:00] propelled you down the road. You look at this speedometer, you’re doing 90 miles an hour and it’s doing like 1200 rpm.

Like it could care less that you’re doing that kind of speed and it’s the snap of a finger and you’re doing a buck 40. It still doesn’t care at all. The sound is, I love it. You know, people say, oh, it just moans like a dying cow and stuff like that. But there’s just something about the Viper, and that’s not my favorite generation either, but I spent about three and a half hours behind the wheel of Andrew’s Viper, so I got a lot of time with it in traffic on roads, you know, different conditions and stuff like that.

Would I throw it out of bed for making crumbs? Absolutely not. Like if somebody gave me one, I would drive it wholeheartedly. To your point, I’m not gonna seek one out the same way I would maybe some other cars. I’m still holding out for a gen one because I still kind of want that, but it’s not at the top of my list anymore.

After spending time with it. That being said, my favorite sort of offshoot, Viper, the Defender from the N B NBC TV series Viper. I got some new news [01:43:00] on that. Somebody actually reached out to us through our media channels and said, Hey guys, you got something wrong in your article. I’m actually friends with one of the designers and some people at Chrysler and sent us a bunch of pictures and a small editorial, and I posted that up on our website.

So if you wanna check out some really behind the scenes pictures of the Viper Defender being designed and built at Chrysler and not in Hollywood, we have those up on the website right now. So I thought that was really cool and I wanted to share that with everybody. So I found it coincidental that we both got to experience Vipers this month and then suddenly this article pops out at the same time, which was pretty cool.

And you know, the most important part of that whole thing you just said there was you were wrong. You’re welcome. Ding, ding, ding. You were wrong. Say, say it with me. Everybody say it with me. Eric was wrong. Eric was wrong. Eric was wrong. Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Let that sink in for a minute. Something something.

Never drive your heroes. [01:44:00] Yeah, exactly. Something. Something. Never drive your heroes. And you know what, Brad? You get one pass every couple of years. And since it’s our anniversary episode, I’ll let you have it. How about, oh, it’s our anniversary and I don’t have flat, but what we do have is upcoming local events.

That’s true. And these are brought to us by collector car guide.net, the ultimate reference for car enthusiasts. So let’s see what’s coming up for August. We’ve got the B BMW Car Club of America, autocross Tess, and tune number two on August 6th at Summit Point. The Polish Mountain Hill climb is also on August 6th and seventh in Flintstone, Maryland.

P C a Potomac Region is hosting the Dead President’s Drive and Dine Tour on August 12th through the 14th, the Pasadera Concourse honors Ferrari’s 75th anniversary and kicks off Car Week in Monterey on August 11th. Vag Fair, 2022 will be held on August 13th, 14th at the York County Fairgrounds in pa. Our friends at the I M R R C are hosting their awards [01:45:00] dinner for 2022 on August 19th in Watkins Glen.

P c a Potomac Region is hosting Jets and Lighthouses 2022 on August 27th, which looks to be an interesting cruise through the Pax River area in Maryland. Also, a little side notes as we will be at Watkins Glen watching the GT America series and S R O. It’s a wonderful touring car series. All kinds of fun racing going on.

Anybody that’s gonna be in the area, please go check it out. Tons more events like this and all their details are available over@collectorcarguide.net. Now it’s time for the h hpd junkie.com Trackside report. So what’s coming up? I wanna give a shout out to the folks over at Project Motoring, both John Kasi and Dave Gilbert for supporting the July Em a event at NJ m p.

And thanks to all the GTM instructors who came out to help. We definitely need more help from instructors out there. Uh, we have three remaining events for Emera on the Schedule Summit Point at Shenandoah on August [01:46:00] 20th and 21st. They’ve switched out New York Safety Track in September for Pocono North.

On September 17th. In addition to that, there’s the season finale at Limerock on October 15th. So if you have extra time to help us come out and instruct, please contact me at Crew chief@gtmotorsports.org for more information on how you can help. I also wanna give a shout out to Sam Harrington and Mike Pep tone for their efforts at this S C A runoffs at NJ m p this month as well.

Congratulations to them. You know, they’re always duking it out in those formula classes. It always looks like a lot of fun, and we’re very fortunate that they post a lot of their videos up on our YouTube channel, so you can always check those out on the Grand Tour Motorsports YouTube page. Our friends at Auto Interest had to unfortunately cancel their four day Summit Point summer camp.

We’re not sure if they’re going to be adding another event to their schedule to make up or replace for it, or what the future of the summer camp looks like for 2023. But there are events with EM A and [01:47:00] H O D and other organizations. Throughout August at Summit Point if you’re looking to make up for that date.

Not only that, our friend and G tmr, Steve Ferman has migrated south and taken over the southeast and Florida region of hooked on driving and he has three events coming up in August at Robling Road, Carolina Motorsports Park and Seabring. And then he’s also added events at B I R and Atlanta Motorsports Park later in the fall.

If you’re down in that area and you wanna hook up with hooked on driving, you know Steve’s in charge. And Aaron there, he is a great guy. He is also gonna be looking for instructors and as much help as he can get. And we wish Steve the best of luck with his new retirement gig. So if you’re looking for a new track day, be sure to check out Hooked on driving.com for all the information down in the southeast of Florida.

Speaking of hooked on driving their fall finale is always at Watkins Glen. It’s a three day event in October. Sadly, some of us are going to be missing that because that’s the same weekend as the Emera Limerock time trial. But we are looking forward to meeting up and [01:48:00] working with a future break fix guest to and gross from the Just Hands Racing Foundation while we’re up at Lime Rock.

So stay tuned for more details on that in the coming weeks. And for those of you not joining us on site at Watkins Glen with s r o as Brad mentioned, be sure to keep in mind that you can catch all of the Gran Touring and touring car racing via at GT World on YouTube. And there are four s r o events left on the schedule after Watkins Glen, that’s Memphis Road, America Seabring, and Indianapolis.

So you can learn more about that on Gtam america.us. And in case you missed out, check out the other podcast episodes that aired this month since 2007, Don Weiberg has been bringing you the best in garages and collections. Are you hearing about Garage Style Magazine for the first time? Then it’s time to learn all about the Garage lifestyle collectibles, automobile insights into other people’s garages and tips on how to layout out and design your own space all available through [01:49:00] GSM because after all, what doesn’t belong in your garage.

And congrats to GSM on the launch of their new website, garage dial magazine.com. We had a bonus episode this month, which was also our introduction into the world of Concor when Rick Barnett from the Concord of Pasero visited us to educate us on the latest and hottest new show that kicks off Monterey Car Week for the fourth year in a row.

If you’re wondering what’s the difference between a car show and a concor tune into this episode to find out. What exactly is a touring car and how can you get involved in one of the best and affordable classes of professional racing? Jim Jordan from S R O answers those questions and more. We get an exclusive tour of the Volo Auto Museum with Jim Wila, a living and constantly changing museum, tucked away 40 minutes outside of Chicago.

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And we’ve got some other shoutouts. We’ve got anniversaries. Kwin Webb and Michael Bower are celebrating six years with G T M and Latin. Lad Steve Wade from several Break Pick [01:51:00] episodes is celebrating five years. Remember, for everything that we talked about on this episode and more, be sure to check out the follow on article and show notes available@gtmotorsports.org.

We’d like to give a special thanks to not our guest host this month, but our in-house audience that partaked in the discussions and everything that we had, they were in studio quote unquote with us. Thank you all for hanging out during this live ish recording. We look forward to more guest hosts in the later episodes, and if you would like to be a part of the conversation, hit us up and of course, we’d like to give thanks to our co-host, executive producer, and overall B A M F Tanya.

You are welcome. We also want to thank all the sponsors of Break Fix, our friends at Garage w Rio hpd junkie.com collector car guide, garage style magazine, hooked on driving project motoring american muscle.com, and all of our loyal Patreon [01:52:00] subscribers. As well as all the members, the families, and the friends who support G T M.

As Brad would say, because without you, none of this would be possible. So thank you all for the last two years and we look forward to many, many more. Happy anniversary. Yay. Happy anniversary. You know the best part. This took just as long as it normally does. Yeah. I still can’t get over the fact that pmx, VX stands for nothing.

I just, I just think of the commercials leave off the X for nothing.

I totally forgot you guys. Did you guys know that you guys have an anniversary stone? Wait, what? I just learned about this literally yesterday, because I work now with a jewelry maker, one of the amazing artists I get to work with at my new job, there is a new gemstone on the market called Ford. Also known as [01:53:00] motor gardens.

It is dried automotive paint that they scrape off the floor at the manufacturing facilities, polish up and sell his jewelry. Nice. My dad joked there was gonna be, is it blue topaz as in the mercury top? Nevermind, I, I thought the second year anniversary was diamonds. I don’t see any diamonds on my finger.

It’s uh, road diamonds or whatever. It’s just a broken windshield. Perfect. Yeah. Detroit Diamond. I have one of those diamonds. That’s it. Thanks guys.

Happy, happy, happy, happy.

Well, here we are in the drive through line, me and her. Cars in front of us, cars in back of us all. Just waiting to order. There’s a idiot in a Volvo with this bright son behind me. Hi Lena. The window and scream. Hey, watch you trying to do blind me. The [01:54:00] wife says maybe we should park.

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