Screen to Speed: Nina Hahn

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Elz Indriani: everyone, and hello. Welcome to the third episode of Elite Talks. And today we have a special guest joining us, Nina Han. Hi, Nina. [00:01:00] Hi, how are you doing today? How are you doing today?

Nina Hahn: Yeah, I’m doing quite well. Fine. Um,

Elz Indriani: it’s very nice to have you here today again, because yeah, yesterday Nina was in the Uh stream to speed dream team practication and now she is the guest star for the init talks episode 3 Hello, by the way, hello jamie.

Hello sharon. It’s very nice to have you here today. Hi How are you doing guys? Happy almost weekend. Happy almost weekend. It’s almost the weekend So nina, so what are you up to lately?

Nina Hahn: Um, yeah, I mean, uh, in terms of racing, there has been quite some things. Uh, I guess, like, if you start all the way back by the Winter Cup, um, I did, I did win, uh, the Screen 2 Speed Winter Cup, which was, uh, amazing.

And really close fight was [00:02:00] really, really cool. And then, um, I had the Women’s Day Invitational again with Screen 2 Speed, uh, which was also quite successful. We’ll talk about it later and then also like last week I went to the, um, to England. To be part in a, um, what’s it called? Like a competition, uh, from Formula Woman.

Right. And yeah, I managed to get into the finals there as well, so.

Elz Indriani: Oh, nice. We’ll talk more about the Formula Woman championship later. But first, before, before we get into this kind of question about the winner mentality as the title of this dream. So could you tell us a bit about your story? How, how did you get into sim racing and motor sports?

Nina Hahn: Yeah, I mean, I think we touched on that yesterday already. Um, and I guess I’ll give the rough rundown again. Yeah. Uh, when I was thinking about it, I really think my [00:03:00] base motivation about like all racing and cars started with the movie Cars. Mhm. Uh, from, um, I don’t know what year that was released, but like, I was reasonably young.

I was really very

Elz Indriani: small back then, when we had the cars. Yeah, that really made

Nina Hahn: me go, um, oh, cars are cool.

Elz Indriani: Mhm.

Nina Hahn: And, um, Yeah, and then I, I went karting here and there, like, I say here and there, it was like two or three times, I feel like, and I did quite well, especially for my age and not being into racing or something, but my, my parents aren’t into cars and no one really, my family is, and so it kind of never really bothered me.

Yeah. lived up to, um, like a hobby. Yeah. So I kind of forgot about it until I, um, drove with a, with a neighbor who was driving me to a friend’s place. And his car was just like all like, um, kind of like, kind of like a small rally car with like a roll cage and a four point harness and he sent it through a [00:04:00] roundabout when he was driving me and that really like reignited this like passion i was like oh cars are still cool and it’s really fun to drive fast and then i then i kind of started like um Like racing games again, like when I was younger, I did like a couple of Need for Speed titles, but didn’t really like, you know, it didn’t really catch on, and then I was like, I don’t know, 16, 17 at that point, where, um, yeah, I was just really enjoying it again, and, uh, started with, I think, a set of Corsa and Project Cars, a Dirt Rally, and those kind of games, more like casual, and then after a while, Um, yeah, I got onto, I racing with like proper wheels and pedals and now having like a full rig.

And I racing is my main r full setup simulator full.

Elz Indriani: Yeah, a full setup. And soon you will get your, um, sim rig from Bel, I think. Also, yes. So you can’t [00:05:00] wait to see your home and you’re like the only one driving it. So good luck and have fun.

Nina Hahn: Yeah, I mean, I can’t, I can’t wait for that. And maybe there will be some social media, um, stuff attached to this.

Yes, please. Um, we’ll, I don’t know how much I can say and how much is like fixed. Right, right. It’s gonna be cool.

Elz Indriani: It’s gonna be cool. Like, it’s going to be like, very cool, very nice. And especially because you earn it, like, you win it. Because I watch, I watch your race in the International Women’s Day. And I saw it like, for a long time, you were like, in B6, something like that.

Like, going into the final portion. And then I was like, wait, Nina, Nina won? Nina won the race? I was like, she was in six or something all the time. And how? Yeah, like, Could you tell me a bit about the story behind it?

Nina Hahn: Yeah, of course. I was, um, running, like, P3 or P4 for, like, a long [00:06:00] part of, like, the race. And then, um, I had, like, a slightly different strategy to the others, though.

So, um, towards the end, I was running in 6th and 7th, I believe. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I was really like, um, on, like on the radio with my team boss who was like, you know, watching over me and like giving me call outs and everything.

Elz Indriani: Right.

Nina Hahn: Uh. I was telling him, Oh, I don’t know. It’s, I guess the strategy didn’t work as we planned and there’s no way we’re going to get a caution in the last two laps or something.

But then we did get another caution and like, I think some people pitted and everything. I just stayed out. And, um, also, um, I got a bit lucky, but that’s also part of it. With Athena getting a time penalty. But yeah, I was in a prime position at the end, and then just, um, restarted the race, kept the lead, and, uh, yeah, [00:07:00] crossed the finish line first.

Elz Indriani: Yeah, I was like, wow, is that caution flag a miracle for you?

Nina Hahn: Yeah, I mean, it kind of like, um, in Ovals, you always have the risk of like a late caution, but, um, it, it really, like, it came out at the perfect moment for me, and I’m really happy that our strategy did work, uh, as intended. Right. That was like one of the reasons why we went with that strategy.

So we would be at the green white checker, we would be in the prime spot. And that’s exactly what happened. And, um, yeah, it’s still a huge thanks to Charles for, uh, helping me with all of that.

Elz Indriani: Thank you for helping Nina with the strategy and stuff. Because yeah, I feel like in OVAL, sometimes you have to take the risk, like gamble your luck.

Waiting for the helping that there will be like another quotient and you took that and it gives you a win Like congratulations for that. So I was like dina is the back to back [00:08:00] winner From winter cup straight to the international women’s day. So, um Will you join the screen to speed another screen to speed if we are having it like probably in summer?

Nina Hahn: Like another season cup.

Elz Indriani: Yeah. Another season. Yeah. Will you join?

Nina Hahn: Like if I, if I have the time, uh, definitely I’ll have to see. How like some real life stuff pans out, but I think I would have to time again I would definitely want to join because especially the Winter Cup was like so much fun because it was over these couple of weeks and I was fighting with Bianca in there quite a bit It was like the battle

Elz Indriani: between you and Bianca all the time, like the close.

Yeah, we were always

Nina Hahn: very close and I was never like leading the championship until like the very last race when I like won the whole cup. Um, so like, yeah, we were always very close. We had some great fighting and everything. Yeah. So to [00:09:00] come out on top was also like, Really, really cool, and, uh, was like some tricky math, um, connected to it during the last race, and I didn’t know exactly where I had to finish, where she had to finish, so I just, like, gave it my best, and won by one single point at the end of it.

So, yeah, it was exciting.

Elz Indriani: That is like a really close championship battle between you and Bianca. Like, yeah, I think for, I think as far as I saw, it’s always like, Bianca always like won the race. Not like always, but I think like, she won the race, like the, in few rounds, right? So, yeah.

Nina Hahn: Yeah, like, we,

Elz Indriani: um,

Nina Hahn: both of us had like a lot of wins.

Uh, we weren’t the only ones winning, but, um, I, I think, if I recall correctly, Uh, if I hadn’t, in the last race, if I hadn’t got the fastest lap point, then it would have been decided on, I think, the, most amounts of fourth place finishes because we had equal [00:10:00] sets of wins, equal second place, equal third places.

And I believe I had one more fourth place. It was like really, really close racing. Really, really close. Yep.

Elz Indriani: Oh my God. I think if I were you, back in the Winter Cup, I was so, like, stressed out with the points and stuff. Because, back in the day when I was, like, winning a championship, it was, like, a pretty big gap between me and the second place.

Even though that I finished last on my final race, I still win it because I’ve already collected the points from the previous round. But for you, this whole championship is all about battling, battling, close battle, close battle, close for win. Wow. Do you ever like get stressed out about that? Like, you know, like you want to win, but

Nina Hahn: yeah.

I mean, obviously, um, I was always like looking at the points. I always wanted to go for the win, obviously. But, um, [00:11:00] In the second to last round, so we always had like two races per round, right, per weekend. So, um, in the, uh, second, second last, uh, round, yeah, in the third to last race, um, I did end up in like a lap one crash and, um, was really like pretty, pretty much at the back of the field.

So, um, yeah. And I really thought, oh, that’s it, um, Bianca’s gonna get it now. Uh, but with, like, the, the way that the points worked and everything, it wasn’t impossible, but it was, like, quite difficult to still win it. And then, um, On the last round, on these two races, I just like, had the perfect weekend. I won both races.

I think, I’m not sure if I got the fastest lap on the first race, but I did get it on the second lap, on the second race and everything. So, [00:12:00] um, it was exactly what I needed. And, yeah, I was giving my all and I was really happy that it worked out that way.

Elz Indriani: So the fastest lap, the fastest lap points really helps you with that.

So even though that you’re not always winning as long as you’re in the finishing in the podium, but then you score the fastest lap in every round, the point will quite help you to be on top of the standings, I guess.

Nina Hahn: Yeah, definitely. Like the points are like the fastest lap points are also part of it.

And I didn’t get it every time. Every race, like Bianca also had it a couple of times. I think Sarah Dove also had it, uh, one or two times. So, um, yeah, it was really cool. And every, every single point counts, and that’s what helped me.

Elz Indriani: Oh, anyway. Hello, Sophie and Yvonne. [00:13:00] Hi, how are you doing? And happy almost weekend chat.

Happy almost weekend. So we are having a talk with Nina right now. So Nina, so Nina and I are talking about the winter cup. So the screen to speed winter cup, because all this time I see from the clips from the broadcast, but I haven’t really heard about the competition itself inside the, in the, in the winter cup, if you know what I mean.

So But then, I think in the Winter Cup, the first round, you, you start based from where you qualified in the race. But on the second one, it’s like a reverse grid kind of thing, right? I think?

Nina Hahn: Uh, yes, it was, uh, always like, um, we had like a qualifying and then we had the reverse grid for the second race.

Yeah, the reverse one. Didn’t make it interesting. Um, Although it, it was like sometimes a bit stressful to weave, uh, through the, like, uh, slower cars. [00:14:00] Mm hmm. Right. Especially when, when you’re still fighting, um, because usually, Mm hmm. Bianca and me, we were, like, quite far up front in the race finish. Mm hmm.

And then for the next race, we would be like together again, but at the back. So we kind of like, we’re fighting each other, but also trying to get like, to lose like as little time as possible to, you know, overtake other people on track. And on some tracks that was easier, on some tracks like Laguna Seca, I remember that was really difficult.

And yeah, it’s, um, it gave a new challenge to it. It’s, I don’t know if I prefer it to like, uh, some other version. Um, Yeah, because it was a bit tricky and sometimes, I don’t know, I also didn’t want to, like, ruin anyone else’s race, obviously, because they’re also racing and if I come through just because I’m faster, I [00:15:00] didn’t want to, like, hit anyone, I didn’t want to spin anyone out, obviously, because they’re in their own race and I don’t want to ruin anything for them, so it was tricky sometimes.

Elz Indriani: Right. So running, like, the reverse grid, the gameplay and the strategy is, like, totally different than starting in front. Like, yeah, in a reverse grid, you want to make overtake as fast as you can, but you want to make it safe. And then you have to, um, how do you say, like, you have to face other drivers with different pace than you, so Like, you have to predict also, right?

Like, okay, how is this driver gonna do if I do this, if I do that? So, I assume that the reverse grid can be hard. Like, can be, like, really hard. Because if you start in front, you know, like, for example, like, you’ll be battling with Bianca all the time. And then, like, you’ll be pulling off the gap with the car speed.

Behind you at some point, like you’re running fast. Both of you, you’re battling you, you go in [00:16:00] front, but in the, in the reverse grid, you’ll be like, okay, I’ll start like from the very, very back. And then like, you have to deal with the T1 carnage most of the time. Cause the, the first lap can be like crazy for some people.

Like, yeah, that’s how I see.

Nina Hahn: Um, yes, but we had, I think a total of eight races. And there was only like one race out of them that had like a, sort of like a bigger incident in the first, um, lap. So, I think the driving standards were pretty good. So, um, of course we had like a bit of like a pace difference here and there.

But I think the racing standards themselves were quite, quite good. And that also helped, um, because I do have like some experience in like the multi class races or something. Mm hmm. Right. So, um. I kind of, like, was thinking about, okay, if I have a card that is, like, significantly slower than me, then [00:17:00] I kind of would just, like, approach it like a multi class.

Ah, right. If I’m just, like, a little bit faster or something, then I would just, like, try to battle for a position as normal. And it makes for different overtakes, kind of. Okay.

Elz Indriani: Yeah, the way you like trying to overtake someone, it, it can be different because especially in winter cup, like we have so many drivers coming from different background, different experience.

So it makes the competition. It’s like, More complex sometimes because you have to deal with a very experienced and I’m not saying like, uh, the other one is not good or not, not having experience, but it can be different because, because of things, you know, like this and that. And also like, maybe there are some people who get used to different seem and something like that, you know?

So for me. I don’t know, for me sometimes starting from the back and try to get [00:18:00] the wind in front can be like really really hard than starting in front and running away from from the back behind you. It made some, for some great racing. Yeah, it is obvious. I want to join the Winter Cup too. I wish I joined.

Nina Hahn: Yeah, so like, obviously if you’re, if you’re already in front, um, then you kind of have like a different type of race where you don’t have to, if you, if you have the pace, let’s say, then you can just focus on like running away and just not get overtaken by second place. But like when you start from the back, then you kind of have to, yeah, you’re going to lose some time in the, in the start just because you have cars in front and you need to overtake if you are faster.

Right. So It makes for different types of races, I’d say.

Elz Indriani: Yeah, and the different types. But which one do you prefer more? Starting in front or starting from the back? Like last to first challenge?

Nina Hahn: Uh, it depends on the [00:19:00] level of competition, I would say. If, if there are drivers that are, um, like, really, really, like, good and, like, above my level or something, I would technically want to start, like, a bit further ahead.

I would. Because I think my race craft in terms of defending and keeping a position is quite good. But like, um, for like the pure fun of it, obviously if I, if I am one of the faster cars in the field, it’s obviously fun to have this challenge of overtaking people. And, um, yeah, just, um, trying to like, um, Trying different things to like, really overtake, see what works, what doesn’t, where you have to like, go for a move and then realize, ah, okay, it doesn’t quite work, and, um, then you kind of have to use a bit more tactics, which is a lot of fun, but, um, yeah, it’s, it’s just gonna slow you down, so, obviously, [00:20:00] the further you go.

Part ahead, um, the better.

Elz Indriani: The better, right. Because when you’re battling someone, both of you like, technically losing time because you’re battling. So, there’s like some, something that you have to, what do you say, like you have to compromise, I must say, like when you’re battling someone. At least for me, I don’t want to keep the battle for a long time because I’ll, I’ll be losing time and, I feel like at some point, someone behind me will eventually catch up if I keep on battling, like, trying, trying to make overtake, but not sure about it, so, you know, like, I’m losing time, and the gap to the car behind me is getting closer and closer, so I was like, okay, enough playing, let’s go.

I’ll be like that.

Nina Hahn: Yeah, um, it depends, I guess, again. Like, if you, if you’re just really far ahead and, um, I don’t know. For example, with Bianca in the Winter Cup. Sometimes we found [00:21:00] ourselves in a race where we were either like us two or maybe like a third or fourth car in the mix as well. But we were kind of like running away from like the rest of the pack.

And then, then you can start like battling a little and really like, especially towards the end of the race, really start to try to be in the optimum position for the finish. Yeah. But, um, if you either have, like, still, like, um, a leader in front that has build, build up a gap to, like, second place and go in third, then it would make sense to not battle too much, um, because then you both can just, like, catch up to the car in front, and then you can make it, like, a three way battle instead of making the two way battle, and as soon as you’re, uh, eventually manage to get ahead, then P1 is just like so far ahead that you’re never going to catch up.

Uh, same goes to like if you’re, um, two cars fighting in the front, [00:22:00] and position three and four for example are with a bit of a gap behind, but you don’t want to start to fight too early so they don’t like start mixing in until the finish. you kind of want to have enough of a gap to when you start fighting and you both lose a bit of time that you kind of can both keep their position and not not lose more than you could gain

Elz Indriani: right right right so even battling someone you have to have a strategy you must have a strategy and like you have to think like if i battling this guy or whoever if we battle And then like, you will see like, okay, we, we made it like, okay, we made the overtake, but then the gap to the car in front of you is already like 17, 20 seconds.

And I don’t know, for me, if I see the gap above 10 seconds, it’s quite impossible, especially if the race is about to end, like, nah, not gonna make it.

Nina Hahn: Yeah. I mean, [00:23:00] again, uh, it kind of depends on how long your race is. If it’s a 20 minute race, then that kind of gap is. quite hard to close without the other person making a mistake.

But if you’re doing endurance races or something, and there’s still an hour to go out of 24 hours or something, for example, that gap might seem quite big, especially if it’s been like, the same over for the last three hours or something. But a lot of stuff can happen within one hour. So, um, just never give up.

I mean, obviously don’t go for stupid moves. think that like you, you don’t really can catch up. So, you know, sometimes it’s also good to just keeping your position, but I would never give up and just say like, Oh, I’m never going to catch it because you never know. Sometimes stuff happens and then maybe every second counts.

Yeah,

Elz Indriani: true. Because sometimes like [00:24:00] we are too afraid to make a mistake, but We forgot that someone else can make a mistake too. Like you’re not the only one on the track and yeah, anything can happen.

Nina Hahn: And especially if you, if you do have this like 10 or 15 second gap after a long race. Or like towards the end of a long race that can also make the other person in front a bit nervous You know if if they see like hey, okay I really hope my tires are still holding up and that person behind me has been like 10 seconds The gap has been 10 seconds for the whole race so sometimes that can cause like thoughts of like Oh, I hope I don’t mess up because if I spin i’m gonna lose a win And they spin because they’re thinking too much about the spinning.

So you really have to be strong in your mental game as well, and not let these thoughts get to you when you’re in that position, but also maybe try and induce those kind of thoughts in your opponents to [00:25:00] gain an advantage.

Elz Indriani: Then, how do you train your mental for that? I’m down to the question like that.

Like, how do you like train your mental? Like, yeah, this is a race I want to win no matter what happened. I, I won’t give up, but sometimes, you know, like, not gonna lie. Sometimes we, as a human will be like, you know, God, I’m tired of this. Oh my God. Did this guy catch me? It’s catching me. So how do you like train your mental?

Like to be. To stay positive in the race like to stay like keep your heads up no matter what happened. We do it We finish the race

Nina Hahn: Um It’s sometimes it can be difficult. That’s true. But uh I I’ve seen it like with a friend sometimes who would like every time that um, He made a mistake or he spun out or something.

He would just like quit the race You And, um, Oh, I’m not going to win [00:26:00] it. I’m not going to win it anyway now. But he’d like lost so much eye rating doing that because like, instead of finishing like fifth or something, he just like quit and, and like finished last because he didn’t like recover from his spins.

And, um, I noticed that when I started on eye racing, I also had like one or two races where I was like, huh. I don’t know. I don’t, I don’t know if that’s worth it, but I just like continued the race and saw that others make mistakes as well. And in a race with, I don’t know, 20 people where I was running P17 and I thought like, oh, this race is over.

Within a couple of minutes, I managed sometimes to get back to like into top 10 or top 5 even. So it’s, it’s really like a mentality that pays off. And, um. I would say, like, really, like, actively try it. Even, [00:27:00] even if you think it’s, it’s not going to work and you’re not going to improve, finish the race and see where you end up.

You might be surprised at, like, how good you will be doing at the end of it.

Elz Indriani: That’s That’s beautiful, right? Because sometimes like yeah, people will be like giving up like I’ve seen like I did some official session in iRacing and yeah Of course, we know the chat the voice chat and everything and I did mostly awful in iRacing and you know Like after that big crash you will see like some people will get disconnected right away.

Like, you know, like They crash, they back to the pit, and they quit the game, go to the other one. But yeah, I think for me, no matter where you finish, you have to finish the race. That’s the mentality that I got in my head, like, maybe I don’t have the mental, the winner mentality yet, as in like, you know, those kind of mentality, but for me, as a start, you have to finish all the race.

Like, no matter where you [00:28:00] finish, you try to finish. That’s the first step for me.

Nina Hahn: Yeah, and also just like, I think what goes with that is to just stay out of trouble. You don’t have to be the fastest, especially when you’re starting out. Like, I was, um, think like, like starting out on, especially on iRacing, on like a sim where, you know, at the end of the day, it doesn’t count.

It’s, it’s a piece of software. There is no like real racing, like racing, yeah, but like no real cars attached to it. So, um, Really just like finish it and be like consistent in the terms of like don’t spin and just keep it on track. You don’t have to like immediately be, um, Setting pole laps. It’s it’s like going to the gym where like when you when it’s your first day in the gym No one expects you to lift the heaviest weight So am I racing as well?

Like if you’re just [00:29:00] starting out or also if you’ve been on there for a longer time, but only now start taking it more seriously No one’s expecting you to be like an eSports pro, you know, all of that The people who are really, really good at the game spend thousands of hours in it. True. So, that’s something that people often forget, I feel like.

Because, um, if you, it’s easy to like look at the top times and see them going. I want to be

Elz Indriani: there. I want to be on the top, you know, like.

Nina Hahn: Yeah, like looking at the fastest times and then you’re just like, oh, I can’t, I can’t do this. And like, they’re just born better or something. Yeah. Mm hmm. Well, most of it is down to just practice and just like sitting down also like analyzing your telemetry or like your lines and like, just like looking at what you’re doing after you’ve done it.

And yeah, just like analyze where you could improve and what the difference is [00:30:00] to the people who are doing faster lap times than you.

Elz Indriani: Right, right. Like always analyze, like, like always analyze your performance in the race. I think most of the time, like, uh, at least for me, based on my experience, like people like saying like, yeah, you need to use more of the track.

And then I feel like when I was in the cockpit view, I feel like, Oh, I use the track. I use all of it. I touch the curb. I went off the grass. That’s how I feel. But then I look into the replay from the, from the, uh, not the cockpit, the chopper view. So you can see like. how you go in the track. I was like, yeah, no, I haven’t used all the track yet.

I haven’t used it. So how do you practice? Like, how do you like practicing for driving at certain track with a certain car?

Nina Hahn: Um,

Elz Indriani: like, how do you watch the replay? Yeah. Or like,

Nina Hahn: uh, it depends on the type of racing [00:31:00] I’m, I’m going to be doing kind of if it’s like an endurance race or like a sprint race. Mm hmm.

But in general, in general, it does make sense to really like do a couple of laps just to get like a baseline in. It doesn’t matter what lap time it is. It really doesn’t. And to then just like, you know, do it like consistently. See that you can do like the same lap time, I don’t know, let’s say for the starters, within one second and always doing like the same lap time and then you, you go back to your replay and you look at your car from the chase and you say, on every corner, I’m like, I don’t know, still half a meter away from the edge of the track.

And then you can like. Really like sit in there again and just like also like drive down like a straight slow and just go to the More and more to the right hand side and just here When your tires touch the grass and then like notice, okay [00:32:00] How wide is my car? How much space do I have to the edge of the track to then be using all of it for the next time?

You’re trying to improve

Elz Indriani: driving slow bring your car more to the edge So you can actually see or feel, okay, this is the edge of this corner. Like, okay. Yeah, like in,

Nina Hahn: in real life racing, you obviously have these like time constraints of like, it costs money to, to get the car on track. The track has only, you know, Limited hours where you can just be on track.

You’re also just like you can’t like really like go out there and stop with the car and like go really really slowly and try out stuff, but in sim especially during like test drive sessions where you’re alone on track you can do whatever you want and You should absolutely use that and try to improve that way because you’re not going to be in the way of anyone It’s not going to cost you anything.

It’s available [00:33:00] 24 7 And, yep.

Elz Indriani: Right. So, always practicing the limit of the track, of the car, like no matter where you, like, um, which track you are in. So, that is like pretty much your method of practicing.

Nina Hahn: Yeah, and also just like, um, look at my lines, look at, uh, look at the delta obviously at a certain point, but, um, also with the delta.

It’s important, in my opinion, to sometimes turn the delta off and just do the same thing over and over and over again without the delta. And it, it might not be your fastest lap time, but I oftentimes notice that if I turn it off, I improve because I stop looking at the delta and I just stop, I start looking at the track and my braking points, my turn in points.

Right, right. I’m focusing more on the driving and I stopped chasing the Delta because at [00:34:00] the end of the day, the Delta up there, if it’s green or red, doesn’t matter. It’s the way you drive around the track and how settled you are and how focused you are on it. So you can do it like, yeah, one lap after the other and just get the consistency up.

And with consistency, you then can build speed because if you’re, I don’t know, losing, you know, Half a second in the in this one corner every lap, but you’re doing the same thing every lap Then you can like look at it and be like hey I could break 50 meters later and suddenly you gain a lot of time and because you practice the consistency You then can do it like every lap after that Consistency is

Elz Indriani: key Everybody said that.

Yvonne also said that like sometimes I talk to Yvonne like I’m sorry, like I’m nervous, not like nervous, nervous, but you know what, I’m, I don’t know what, [00:35:00] how am I going to do in the race? I think I remember I told Yvonne about that, like back in the day, and she just told me like, you know what, keep your car on the track, be consistent, and you’ll be fine.

Cause yeah, sometimes like you see that fast driver like scoring a fast lap, but then he or she crashed, got damaged, and the race is pretty much done. Right, so keep the car on the track and be consistent.

Nina Hahn: Yeah, I would say especially in like the quote unquote lower I ratings, um, so definitely anything under 2k and I would even say like between 2 and 3k, I would say like that is the by far most important thing to just keep it on track and don’t crash.

Right. And just by doing that, just by not crashing, you should see, like, an immediate improvement in your rating, and also in your driving, per se, because [00:36:00] you, you start being more comfortable in the car, you trust it more because you don’t spin out. Right. And once you’re decent at keeping the car on the track, speed will come automatically, and anything after that is not a problem.

To me it was a reasonably automatic progress to then just go and like, okay, I’m consistent. I’m okay fast But now I want to go faster and be consistent

Elz Indriani: Then you will find a way like to be faster once you pass the consistency lesson like okay first I gotta be consistent keep the car on the track and then for you it’s like the speed comes automatically like after I mean After a while, of course not like it doesn’t come instant like in one night.

No Eventually, I

Nina Hahn: spent a lot of time in sim.

Elz Indriani: You spend a lot of time in sim like How long you spending you’re spending your time like let’s say weekly You Um,

Nina Hahn: It fluctuates. [00:37:00] Um, currently I don’t drive every day. I kind of want to do it every day again. Um, so I couldn’t, I couldn’t say it. It really depends a lot on my real life stuff, what’s going on and everything.

So it’s, it’s different each week, which is, I really want to do it more consistently and really like get like a plan on how much. Yeah. Racing I do per week to just have like a really consistent way of practicing, but um, I’m, I’m working on that to find like a plan that works.

Elz Indriani: Like finding the right time to start the regular stream, not the, I mean, not the regular stream, the regular drive.

Like driving, trying to Yeah, I mean, who

Nina Hahn: knows, maybe I’ll be streaming in the future.

Elz Indriani: Maybe you should, maybe you should start streaming. Maybe, maybe I’ll try it. You know what? Because I think for me, like, you are like one of the best iRacer that I met here in this community. Like, honestly, like, I’m being [00:38:00] completely honest with you, like, I adore you.

Like, okay, Nina is great. So, I mean, if you’re streaming, I will, I will tune into your stream and learn in your way. Because I think for me, most of the time, I’m learning about simracing by watching other people driving on the stream. Bye. Okay, that’s how you do it. Okay, I will try that one, you know, so maybe yeah, I will support you if you’re streaming one day Anyway, hello everyone Lieber Lieber Lieber lars.

Sorry lars. Hi. Hello. Welcome to init esports. Welcome to init talks We are having nina han the back to back winner of sprint to speed winter cup and international woman’s day Joining us in the chat. Hi everyone. Hi. Hi All right, where were we? I was saying hi to the chat Yeah, speaking of the routine and practice I realized that A lot of pro driver like spend the whole time in the [00:39:00] scene practicing So I look into myself like i’m not doing enough practice yet.

I haven’t spent enough time in the practice So no wonder I haven’t got into that level yet, you know

Nina Hahn: I mean, it’s, it depends where you want to end up, I guess, because for like bigger races, for example, like league races or that kind of stuff. Um, if it’s like big races, then I would spend like, I don’t know, I would say like on average, like 10 to 15 hours practicing for one race.

So like, that’s like just in practice. Um, it depends. Like, um, for, for the Winter Cup, I wasn’t quite able to do that much. Um, but, um, yeah, it, it always depends on, like, how much is going on. I really try to maximize the amount of practice I get in. Because not only for, like, the result in [00:40:00] that race, but also just to improve as, like, A driver overall right?

Yeah, because also for for like real life racing i’m really Try to get like as much practice as I can basically.

Elz Indriani: Oh yeah, you’re doing some aerial racing too. We will talk about it. Oh my god.

Nina Hahn: I’m trying. Yeah.

Elz Indriani: Do you, uh, like, do you just started to get into real racing or you’ve been doing this for a while?

Like your main, your main priority is in real racing and you’re doing sim racing in the meantime, or how does it work?

Nina Hahn: No, it’s mainly sim racing, but I have raced in real life. So I was, um, like the first time I would really like call myself a racing driver was in the formula student. I was fast enough to be selected as one of two main drivers for the 2019 season in my team.

So during that season, [00:41:00] I was racing our self built formula car against other universities throughout Europe. Which was great fun. That was amazing. And I I still think like that is probably the most insane car i’ll ever drive in my life It was like 85 horsepower on 180 kilos So that thing was really really quick with like a huge arrow package on it You can actually I don’t I don’t know if you can see like the calendars back there Um,

Elz Indriani: no, I don’t really see it

Nina Hahn: Yeah, okay, okay, okay.

Um, but those are the type of cars, um, that we were racing. Oh, wait, the one

Elz Indriani: behind, the one behind you? Like,

Nina Hahn: not, not the big one up there. That’s like an old F1 car. Yeah, of course. I was like, wait, is that the one? Wait, actually,

Elz Indriani: I can Oh, thank you so much. There we go.

Nina Hahn: Okay, so We are making

Elz Indriani: the guest start doing some work.

Nina Hahn: So that was, uh, I’ll try to like put it in the center. Sure. Um [00:42:00] That was, uh, one of the cars. That’s actually me in the car on that picture. Oh, wow. That is really cool. Oh, um, that is the type of cars, uh, that I was racing. That I drove a couple, a couple different ones, um, during, during some, uh, Testing and everything, but that car on, on there, that wasn’t like me driving against other universities there.

Elz Indriani: Driving against other universities, right, right. Yeah, and,

Nina Hahn: um, after that, I was also, um, fortunate enough to have a opportunity to be, In an fully electric Formula 4 at a driver selection in Zolder in 2022, end of 2022. And that was great fun. That was amazing. It was all thanks due to Racing Pride, who, um, yeah, where I sent like a, Um, a little, like, uh, text there because they had, like, a sponsorship, um, available.

But I was one of six who got to [00:43:00] go there and be on the test day and, uh, that was really, really fun. It was great. Yeah. Overall, a really great day. And, yeah, and then last week, Yeah, and then last week I also went to, um, or like maybe let’s do it the other way around. Start of this year, I finally got like my real racing license.

So I’m now allowed to race, like race cars.

Elz Indriani: Great. Congratulations. Congratulations. Oh my God. Congratulations.

Nina Hahn: And then, um, Last week, actually, I was in, um, in England and doing a competition with Formula Woman, where I managed to get like all the way to the finals. I didn’t quite win it, but I got a little, um, I say a little, I got a beautiful glass trophy here.

Oh

Elz Indriani: my

Nina Hahn: god, yeah. For like being in the finals. Congratulations. You make

Elz Indriani: it to the final round, right? Like the final top [00:44:00] 15? Was it like top 15? Yeah. Or top 20?

Nina Hahn: It was top 15, yes. Top 15. I see. Uh, so we were, I think, was it 70 or 80 girls there? Mm-Hmm. . And you managed to be like, on, on, on venue, I think. And then, um, out of that I managed to get into like the semi files, which was like top 30.

And then. another step into the top 15. And yeah, I learned a lot. And I got to drive a couple of laps at Cadwell Park.

Elz Indriani: Yeah,

Nina Hahn: great racetrack. It’s so fun. Um, so yeah, like if you, if you get the chance, like definitely go. It’s, It’s amazing.

Elz Indriani: I see. I will, I will look into the track map and see, like, how is the catwall park looking.

Yeah, like,

Nina Hahn: it’s, the track map, yeah, but like, look at the elevation, look at, like, onboards or look at the motorcycles that race there. They even, like, sometimes jump over that one hill. Like, it’s absolutely crazy. It’s so cool.

Elz Indriani: I love it. [00:45:00] Honestly, in the racetrack, I like the racetrack that has like an elevation change, you know, because I’m learning about the press and compression from that thing, you know, like, okay, you cannot, I think you cannot break like right at the top of the hill because wait, I may be wrong on that.

But I watch like,

Nina Hahn: um, I mean, you can, you just can’t break as hard because the car is going to lift out of its suspension. So you have less force downwards. Right.

Elz Indriani: Oh, so. Push your car to the ground, kind of thing. I don’t know if that makes sense. Yeah, and

Nina Hahn: it’s kind of, the more force you have, like, downwards, the more grip the tires have, kind of.

Ah, right. Um, that’s why aerodynamics work, because they push the car in the ground and then you have more grip.

Elz Indriani: Right. The aerodynamic to push the car to the ground. Right, right, right. But then you told us earlier that you actually mainly doing sim racing and that you now you’re doing some IRL stuff. [00:46:00] So I assume that you’re not having like so many experience at the track because, um, comparing to the sim racing, I assume that you do more sim racing than real racing.

Is that correct or not?

Nina Hahn: Yeah, definitely. But I think that’s like, at this point in time, that is most people who do racing. Because as I mentioned earlier, racing on the track is always dependent on how long the track is open, what are like the hours where you can go on track, it also, it costs like money to, you know, every lap costs money in fuel and tires and everything.

True. And every lap that you can already do on the sim is going to help you doing better in real life. So. everyone who’s driving like a real race car probably does like way more time in sim as well just to yeah to to like learn the track learn all the bumps learn um how to approach different corners and everything and if you [00:47:00] already know all of this and you then sit in the car for real then it’s way easier to really know how to like handle the car around this track because also sometimes with cars that are a bit more nervous on throttle, for example, and you know that on the exit of this one corner, you have like a little dip or a little bump, then you know how to put down your right foot in terms of so you don’t spin, but you can get like the maximum acceleration out of it and not be surprised by the bump being there.

Elz Indriani: Right, right. Because I was just about to ask you this question, because you spend more time in sim, and You’re now that you’re doing some IRL race IRL driving then How do you feel like? Sitting in the race track race car going to race in real racetrack, and I don’t know like Because for me, I did some karting.

So I did some karting sometimes, like try to get used to it, you know, [00:48:00] learning about it. Because for me in the sim, I, I was more brave in the sim, because I know it’s not real. Like if you crash, you won’t feel anything. But then once I get into karting, I feel like, okay, this is fun. There is like some sense that I can gain in, in real life than when I was in the sim.

But I was shocked. When I was like having this, doing this carting, I was shocked because, okay, the engine sound is so loud on my right ears. Because then back then I remember in iRacing I turned on the engine volume so I can hear the tires better. But in real life, you cannot custom that sound. So I was like, Oh no.

And everything just like blurry in my head. Like, Oh my God, I feel like a noob back then. I know I did some racing, sim racing in, in the sim, but. This is everything is new to me. So how did you like even manage to be in the top 15 in a real car like [00:49:00] Tell us a bit about it. Like

Nina Hahn: um Yeah, like obviously sim racing I think is reasonably close to real life at this stage But it does have its limitations.

So one thing that we also Talked about yesterday, for example with ByteSkiVisir in our test session Uh, is that, especially at high speeds, uh, you’re going to start to get the fear factor. Because in a, in a rig, if, I don’t know, someone who knows the track tells you, okay, turn three is just flat out, then you’re just gonna, in the sim, you’re just gonna do it flat out.

And it doesn’t matter. And if you spin out or something, then, you know, it doesn’t really matter. But if you, if you are racing a real race car, and you’re suddenly going, I don’t know, Um, two hundred kilometers an hour or something. They are quite different to what you expect, like, what you have in normal cars.

Right. Especially when I was doing [00:50:00] the, um, Formula Student. Because in there, with all the aerodynamics and the car not being very heavy, we had up to like, um, Certainly above 2. 5 G and I think the highest I saw on one of my own boards was like 3. 0 G’s, naturally. So that is quite a force that acts on your body.

And especially also on your legs. Like for me it was always the legs that were the most like flopping from left to right to be honest.

Elz Indriani: Yep, yep, yep. Cause I think here right, in real life we have that fear factor. Of course like, Before I get into, I mean, I’m not even driving a fast car. I’m just driving like, um, what do you say?

Driving in the car, like doing some karting for fun, you know, at the racetrack. I already have that fear factor, like, by, I told you, like, listen to the sound. Like, okay, it’s louder than when I was playing games. It already give me like that kind of sensation. Like, you know, like, you know, yeah. [00:51:00]

Nina Hahn: And like the, I feel like the sound is something you, you get over quite easily because it’s, it’s loud in the first moment, you know, usually race cars are quite loud, but you, after being in there for like, I don’t know, a couple of minutes, then you’re, you’re hearing just adjust to it.

And it’s, it’s loud, but like, it’s, it’s just there at some point. But the, the G forces are like coming and going all the time. So, um, and also the, the faster you go, the higher the forces get. And what you said about like the tire volumes that you would turn down the engine noise or something. I, I do the same in sim just to hear what the tires are doing, but in real life you feel it because like, um, in terms of like aviation, um, terms, you have like the, the pitch, uh, the, the role, and then also the yaw, which is kind of like how, how much you’re like drifting, quote unquote, [00:52:00] it’s not drifting, but like, it’s how the car rotates around its own axis.

And, um, you feel that and after doing a bit of racing and if you, or like also just if you have like a good natural feel for this, you can feel like how much the tire is supporting underneath you and where you should like, where you can push a bit more and where you should really like don’t push more or even like push less.

Elz Indriani: Right, right. I think that’s what I I cannot say that, uh, which one is better, but in sim and real life, it has its own difference as in like in the same, you can, you can adjust the volume. Like, I want to listen more to the, to the sound of tires so I can actually feel the limit of the, of my tires. But, um, again, um, I was like, in real life, we have that, um, you know, You know, [00:53:00] like we cannot adjust the volume of the sound that we hear on the track, but on the other hand, I feel like I don’t really need to listen to the tires because I get the feeling that I didn’t get in the scene.

Like, for example, based on my experience, I can feel when I’m going like a little bit too fast, going into the corner, like I feel it directly. Meanwhile, in the same, I was. I really need to rely on my eyes to see like if I’m going fast or if I’m going too slow. So yeah, like do you, do you like, not like agree with me on that, but is it like technically true speaking about the difference between road racing, uh, between real life racing and in the sim?

Like you can feel the g force in real life, like you can feel that. Well in the sim you can, you can have like a motion sim. So, you know, like you can feel it like. You know, like when your car accelerating or braking.

Nina Hahn: Yeah, like I’ve driven a motion [00:54:00] sim once for around like 10 15 minutes. And, um, it does help a little, but it’s different.

So, um, you do kind of get the same hints at it, but you don’t really, um, It’s not the same sensation, because even though you get maybe like a little bit of yaw and like a little bit of like pitch or something, it’s, it’s different if your car just like climbs like 30 meters up the track because it’s going up a hill, because you can’t really like get these forces without actually doing the motion in space.

Elz Indriani: Right, right, right, that makes sense.

Nina Hahn: Yeah, so, um, it’s close and it’s, it’s nice to really like feel a bit more, but it’s not exactly the same.

Elz Indriani: Not exactly the same, I see.

Nina Hahn: Yeah, and also like, um, one thing that you will feel if you really like race a car fast is [00:55:00] like, um, the inside of your body gets like squished a little in, in all the different directions, which is something you never have in sim.

And that can be a bit like. That’s the thing that makes people sick sometimes on racetracks, if they go for a ride along or something, right?

Elz Indriani: Right, right. I heard about that sometimes. Yeah, so, um, and I,

Nina Hahn: there’s, um, you know, no shame in that, because, like, I also think, like, driving in a passenger seat is always, like, way scarier than actually driving yourself.

Um, but, like, yeah, the forces are just, are quite different. It’s, it can help to have, like, a motion rig or something. But, um,

Elz Indriani: They’re still like feeling that

Nina Hahn: yeah,

Elz Indriani: it’s it’s a bit

Nina Hahn: different.

Elz Indriani: It’s a bit different true but then like tell me a bit about You managed to make it to the top 15 in the in your formula woman Event like last week.

So [00:56:00] yeah, how did you manage to be like? fast and make it to the top 15 like you just floored it send it and You Go? I mean, Going fast, like,

Nina Hahn: how? I mean, it wasn’t, it wasn’t just the driving. Uh, we had other challenges attached to it. So we had, for the first, uh, to get into the semi finals, we also had like, for example, a written test about like some theory of like, okay, what do you do with a yellow flag?

Um, what is the optimal line? Like what is an apex? That kind of thing. Um, which is, which was reasonably easy for me because I only took my, um, My race test like last year, so that was still very fresh and everything, right? But then we also had like media training Where we had an interview and yeah, we just had to like Get through that interview, okay And i’m generally not scared of interviews or cameras.

So that [00:57:00] was fine. That

Elz Indriani: was fun for you. Like, okay, I can do this Yeah, definitely. Like

Nina Hahn: I I just like Try to really like put out this confidence and just be there and like be Be this cool personality because I also just like love talking about it. It’s just like the passion that just lives up in me Sharing your

Elz Indriani: passion, right, right.

Yeah And then, yeah, I understand that feeling, like, telling someone about something And then, um, what else?

Nina Hahn: We had a fitness test that was, uh, that was quite exhausting. It’s, um, I don’t do like fitness that regularly. I do work or like I did work as a car mechanic. So I have like some body strength or something, but I didn’t do like too much, um, fitness itself.

So, um, that was like reasonably hard for me. But also, um, I set myself the goal to just not give up whatever. Stuff we have to do and it was also hard for a lot of [00:58:00] the others But like whatever exercises we have to do I will not give up and I will pull through with it until the end and I did and I’m really proud of myself And that is one of the biggest things that I was proud of because it was it really wasn’t an easy fitness test And then being in the top 30 we had to do another fitness test Right like the next morning after already having like sore muscles you So that was quite exhausting, but it was also fun.

Um, yeah. What else do we have? Um,

Elz Indriani: we had some driving

Nina Hahn: on like, like just the line. So not every driving we did was about like pure speed, but also just like finding the line and we had an instructor with us who was, um, telling us like, okay, this is your breaking point. This is your turning point and all of that.

And then you had to like replicate that and just like. And, um, have like smooth steering, smooth pedals and everything. And once you did [00:59:00] that, then you like moved up to like the bigger car and was, were actually driving like a, like a fast car. And, um, yeah, and yeah, I think I got everything. I don’t know if, oh, we also had like a reactions test.

Um, which you probably have seen on like F1 or something where you have like two little like just balls that um, a trainer would like let go of and you have to catch it or like catch both at the same time before they hit the ground. Yeah, so like we had a couple of different, um, exercises that we had to pass in order to get to the finals.

And then, uh, yeah, the finals were in quite tricky conditions as like, you know, common, uh, British weather was striking again. Um, it was constantly like, it was drizzling and then stopped and then was raining heavier and everything. So when I went out on track, it was really like, Slippery and just like greasy the track was really like you were constantly dancing with the car a [01:00:00] little Um, and i’m so happy with my um results, even though I didn’t win it because I just learned a lot that day I um talked to an amazing, um race driver and like he did Uh, he was an instructor at like a ferrari Facility.

I don’t know if I’m not a hundred percent sure But like his name is Ray Grimes and he also looked at some on boards with me and we talked about it And how I can improve and everything. So I was really informative. I learned a lot and Overall, just an amazing event

Elz Indriani: It’s more than driving on the track because you have to go through even the interview like Huh, you you have that media training also from that program, which is really great because Wow, you learn a lot and there’s like so many things to learn I guess in few days I think how long was that? Yeah the program like [01:01:00] throughout the weekend or Was it?

Yeah, so

Nina Hahn: it was it was uh, three days in total um one day at like a um near the National Motorsports Academy, I think it’s called. Um, and then, uh, like around Nottingham or in Nottingham. And then, um, the last two days were at Cadwell Park. So that’s a bit more to the

Elz Indriani: east, if I’m not mistaken. A lot of drive, like, all the way.

Nina Hahn: Yeah, it was like, I think, one and a half hours. It wasn’t too bad. It wasn’t bad, yeah. It’s fine. Yeah, it was fine. Hmm. Um, yeah.

Elz Indriani: Wow, that’s a lot. Like I’m happy for you. Like you’re going through this program and you managed to be in the top 15. So we had this conversation before, like I see you as a pro driver, but you say like, I’m, you know, I’m good, but it’s not that good, but okay.

I’m, I’m decent. Okay. Let’s say that if you are decent [01:02:00] in sim racing, where do you put yourself in real racing? Which level are you on, if you’re talking about real life driving, let’s say?

Nina Hahn: Yeah, it’s a bit hard to say, because I, I don’t have much in terms of, um, experience in really, like, comparing myself to others in the same type of machinery.

Because in Formula Student, for example, where I have, like, arguably the most experience on track, Um, every university had their own car. And so it was like similar to like NF1, you can be like the best driver, but if your car is just not quite up to it, then your results are not going to be as good. So it’s hard to really like compare how much is like the driving, how much is the car and um, and all the other events.

I also don’t have like a really good basis of comparing my [01:03:00] times to the others. So, Obviously, getting to all these like, um, to, yeah, also like when people who race for real and look at my own boards and give me tips or something, I know that I’m not, not too bad. You know, I think I’m decent again, but, um, especially in real life, I know that I still have like quite some things to learn, but that’s also good.

That’s cool. Because that means there, there’s new stuff, um, Yeah, and like the excitement that comes with it, because there’s so much still out there to, to be learned. And I think it’s absolutely like valid to say that you don’t know everything yet. And you don’t have to be like the best driver already.

Um, but yeah, my, um, I, I don’t know if you mentioned this yet. I don’t think so. But like for my big goal to be racing in the 24 hour race of the Nordschleife in like, Let’s say the next [01:04:00] 10 years is kind of my goal. Um, I still have like some things to learn and but I think I’m on a good track with that.

Elz Indriani: Yeah,

Nina Hahn: and I obviously hope that that’s gonna come true at some point.

Elz Indriani: I’m into that because I was just about to ask you like, yeah, you’re doing this IRL stuff. Like what are your goals? And then you told me like you want to be, yeah, NERP 24, like doing it in real life, like driving, competing. Yeah, that is obviously

Nina Hahn: like that.

That’s the big dream. Because I, I always loved that race. That was, um, when my passion for racing, like, reignited, that, that was one of the first, like, Great that I really like watched and like followed it was like the 24 hour race of Nordschleife because I’m also from Germany and Partly as well on the side was DTM back then In current and like in the past couple of years.

I I haven’t really watched DTM too much to be honest Mm hmm, but [01:05:00] the Nordschleife is just always like I just love that racetrack. It’s amazing. And I’m also going to go there this year, um, to meet up with, um, a couple of friends online, like, especially like, um, my, my team that I drive with, like, usually Olympus Esports.

And, um, yeah, I can’t wait to meet all of them. I didn’t meet them in real life yet. So I meet them at the track. It’s such a special track for the event of the 24 hour race.

Elz Indriani: Hi,

Nina Hahn: Charlie.

Elz Indriani: Hi, hello, by the way. Very nice to have you here today. We have Nina joining the Init Talks. We are talking about Nina being the back to back winner.

And also I’m asking some questions about sim racing, real racing. Hi, everyone. You will manage that. I keep my finger crossed for you, Nina. Thank you so much. Sharon, thank you. Thank you so much for supporting Nina. Thank you. And [01:06:00] I, I’m really rooting for you, Nina. Like, I really hope one day you will reach your goal, like racing in real life.

Like, you know. Nina is awesome. Yes, she is. I’m rooting for her, like, in the Winter Cup and also, like, in the International Women’s Day Race. I was like, wait, Nina won the race? Like, in OVO? She just won in road racing and now she’s Yeah,

Nina Hahn: like, like, he, he was, um, that’s my team boss. Like, he’s on the, um, he was my supporter.

Like, he was with me in that race. He was, like, the one that I was talking to while winning. Yep, yep, yep. It was so cool.

Elz Indriani: Yeah. Wow. It’s so nice to have you here. By the way, Charlie, welcome. Welcome. Happy almost weekend. Oh my God. What? It’s so nice. Like, you know, like having a spotter in, in your race is really important, especially in awful.

Like, at least for me, awful. I really need a spotter and I have to trust my spotter. I [01:07:00] think that’s my thing, you know, like if I have like someone new spotting me, I’ll be like. You know what? You join on Discord. Don’t you ever get into my server? Because if I have someone spotting, I cannot hear my AI spotter.

Something like that.

Nina Hahn: Yeah, like there’s a setting for that. Oh, there’s a

Elz Indriani: setting for that? Oh yes, you should tell me about it after this. Yeah, we can talk later about it. Because I think for me, I have to build the trust between me and the spotter. Like, build the connection. If that makes sense to you, like, I have to trust him.

Like, when my spotter said like, okay, go left, I was questioning him at the start. Like, why should I go left? Because I need to reach the level of trusting someone. Because I feel like when I have like this human spotter, I’m giving my race to this spotter. Like, yeah.

Nina Hahn: Yeah, I think, I [01:08:00] think it’s important in that case to Less, like, view it as, like, your race, but in the sense of, like, you, singular, and what, like, view it as your race in the sense of, like, plural.

You know, it’s like a team effort. It’s, um, yeah, it’s, it really comes together if you trust someone or not. Uh, similar to, like, how Rally works with your co driver, who’s just calling out stuff. And if your co driver in Rally says, like, Okay. Flat over crest, like, keep to the right, then that’s exactly what you’re doing.

And if I’m racing ovals and my team boss on the, on the radio tells me like, yeah, clear, move down. And I do that. I don’t question it because I fully trust them.

Elz Indriani: Right. Yeah, that’s the new thing that I learned. Because, yeah, since I’m getting into oval, like, yeah, okay, I will, I will. I’m starting to learn about having a spotter and stuff because in road racing, I can just rely on AI, but for [01:09:00] some race in oval, I need a human spotter for me.

So yeah, like building the trust to the point that you listen to the sound, you follow it right away. Like I need to reach that certain of level of trust, you know, if you know what I mean? Like, yeah, I need that.

Nina Hahn: And it’s maybe not always going well, but that’s where. You learn from both of you

Elz Indriani: right right and if you look into the replay of a big crash You can you always think like, okay, I should have gone this way.

I should have do that. But yeah,

Nina Hahn: it’s

Elz Indriani: like

Nina Hahn: it’s it’s easy to like put like the fault on somebody else, but like Maybe maybe not immediately after when you’re still like all worked up about it But maybe a day later or something look at it and just really look. Okay, you know I have done something better.

Even, even if you might be made, sorry, if you might’ve been even like in the right to move up and the other person [01:10:00] was doing something wrong, but maybe you could have seen that. And maybe it wasn’t like the right move from the other person, but you could have avoided the wreck there. That’s also something to learn, because at the end of the day, if you’re right or not, if you crash out, it doesn’t matter because you crashed out.

So.

Elz Indriani: It happened. Like, yeah, it already happened. Like, you already crashed. And I think for me, like, I barely put a blame on someone else if something bad happened in the race. But I focus more on On what could I’ve done in this situation? Like I look into the replay, I focus on, okay, this is the crash. I should have gone that way.

Like I’m focusing on what can I do better in the next race? Instead of like putting someone like pointing finger on someone, like it’s your fault, I’m reporting you like that. You know, like I’m, Oh, I’m more like, yeah. Okay. Next time I’ll do better for this. No, you know what? It’s fine. You know? [01:11:00] And by the way, Nina, like we are talking about having a spotter, winning the race and everything, right?

Like, yeah, we all know that you’re the winner, back to back winner. And also like, yeah, you managed to be in the top 15 in the Formula Woman. Speaking of your dream goal, you want to be in the Nurburgring 24. Which car do you want to drive? If you get a chance, driving in real life. Anything.

Nina Hahn: Yeah, well, most people would probably go for like the GT3s or something.

But actually, I would love to drive the Dacia Logan. I don’t know, it’s like, it’s such a cool concept to be like in like, the slowest or like one of the slowest cars. I don’t know, I just like, I really enjoy like, low powered cars because with, you know, With cars that have, like, amazing horsepower and everything.

Right. If [01:12:00] you, if you mess up your corner, and you step on the gas on the exit, you’re already, like, quick. Massively. Um, but if you’re in a slow car, with, like, just very little Low power. Oh no. It is quite Yeah, are we are we fine

Elz Indriani: I think I think we are fine so for a bit It’s like okay

Nina Hahn: on my end the stream just started to buffer.

So I wasn’t sure Yeah, as I said like in the in the fast car if you go on throttle you’re immediately fast again But in the slower car, it’s really important that you keep your line smooth and effective to get all the speed like throughout the corner So you’re not slow on exit because then this just like amplifies.

And to me that’s like a special kind of challenge to just have like a slower ish car and trying to preserve the speed during a corner. Instead of just like having insane amounts of [01:13:00] power. I mean, you still have to do the same thing, but like in slow cars, at least for like the start, that’s kind of like That sounds really cool.

And also you’re on the same track as the big guys, you know, so how cool must it be if you’re already sending your car down there and going as fast as you can and then there’s just like gt3 is just flying past. That

Elz Indriani: must be insane. Yeah. Oh, I get what you mean now. Yep. Because it’s quite new to me, like to listen to, like I’m doing this interview, like Quite some time and then like yeah, you know, like some people want to drive the fast car wanna be f1 and Now I have you here and saying that yeah, I would like to drive a slow car

Nina Hahn: Yeah like I mean there are plenty of cool cars, you know, of course the gt4 class is amazing, especially like the Um the team that um by skill from yesterday is in actually like the the girls [01:14:00] only team It’s a team that i’ve like watched like all the years and everything.

It’s it’s just um It’s so cool to see that like a girls only team, you know, drivers are all females, all the mechanics are girls and everything. So obviously that would be a dream as well to be in that team and to not, to like just be visible for, for all the women out there to inspire them maybe to, yes, you can do racing as a girl.

And that is obviously also something that screen to speed does to really like. Show anyone to be like, hey, you can do sim racing as a woman. There’s nothing against it. You can absolutely do it. You can race as a girl. It’s, it’s not a boys exclusive club. And yeah, yeah. So I, I really, I’m happy if I even manage one person, um, if I can change one person’s mind in that sense.

Elz Indriani: Right. [01:15:00] Yeah, that’s what we want to do. Like, you know, I know that there are female sim racers like we are not the only two or the only 20 girls in this world who does sim racing, but I feel like it’s kind of hard to meet up with other girls, especially if you’re doing official session in iRacing. You’re not gonna lie.

Like, most of the time I’m the only one. Like the only girl on the track. So, it’s kinda hard to find another female sim racer. Like, yeah. So, I’m so happy to have Screen2Speed. Like, yeah. We meet a lot of wonderful girls on the track. Or even like in the race. Like, you know.

Nina Hahn: It’s a really cool community. And, um, especially when I was doing all my, like on iRacing you have like the different license classes.

Yeah. Or like safety rating for all the different types of racing, right? Right. So at some point I was like, hey, it would be cool to have a license in every class. So I set myself that goal and also like reached it. [01:16:00] But, um, especially in disciplines like, um, dirt ovals, it is. Apparently incredibly rare to have like girls in there So, um, I was always like the kind of like standout account in those lobbies And I haven’t done much like dirt oval since then to be honest.

I should I should do that again It was quite fun

Elz Indriani: I did a lot of there was a moment where I did a lot of dirt oval and I don’t even know like I didn’t I literally just realized at the start of season two. Like how did I get Uh, promoted to C class, like I barely do the dirt. Awful. But dirt awful is so fun.

Like you are like staring. Yeah. It can be quite fun. Like your will is like more to the right. Like you’re turning, you’re turning. Yeah. I mean it’s, I mean it’s,

Nina Hahn: it, it’s kind of like drifting in a sense.

Elz Indriani: Yeah. That’s how I feel. I

Nina Hahn: also enjoy drifting a lot on a set of coa as like a way of like winding down.

Sometimes if like a race can go my way or something, I [01:17:00] turn on a set of coa and just like drift from there. And that’s kind of my, my way of like, just relaxing. I’m, you know, again, I’m like, okay at drifting, but I’m not like, um, drift pro, you know, I can, uh, I can do like 360 entries now. So like, I guess I’m all.

It

Elz Indriani: can

Nina Hahn: do with their cars. It’s, um, racing is so beautiful because you have all these different types of disciplines. Yeah. Every discipline has its own beauty to it. If it’s rally or drifting or drag racing or circuit racing, ovals, anything has something special. So that’s pretty cool.

Elz Indriani: Yep. That’s how I see like, yeah, in road racing, you want to go fast.

That’s how I feel and then in awful you want to survive the race [01:18:00] But when you talk about drifting, it’s drifting is more like art instead of like going fast It’s like a total different thing.

Nina Hahn: I would I would argue that both is a type of art because To go faster on the track also requires your car to be very stable and um to just do it like to this like perfection.

Obviously the best example to that is Formula One because they are like so close to the edge and like so like perfect every single corner. And there’s also a beauty to that it’s a it’s a different type of kind maybe because drifting is also like to the, to the centimeter, like next to walls all the time.

So close here and so close there. So it’s not all too different in that sense. If you want to call it art, [01:19:00] it’s just a different kind of art. Like the one is maybe like classical painting and the other one is, um, expressionism or something. I don’t know my art too well. So I think

Elz Indriani: that, I think that works that way.

That’s, that’s a good point. Cause Yeah, I mean, you, not like you change my mind, but you give me like a new perspective speaking about art in racing, like, hmm. That’s, that’s, that’s a good point, right? So

Nina Hahn: And also, especially like if you’re doing wheel to wheel racing, you know, overtaking is also a form of art, obviously.

Elz Indriani: Yeah, I love watching the long battle, like, you know, battle in every corner. I think I saw that between you and Bianca, I think. We had

Nina Hahn: a lot of those and it was so much fun because also after, after a while with Bianca, I knew that I could trust her. Like she’s also a really good driver. So I know that I can make it tight and I can like give her, her space, [01:20:00] just her space and not a centimeter more.

I really have this very close racing. And And, um, that made for some great onboards. I still have, like, I think all of the replays saved. So, um, there are, like, a lot of scenes where we are, like, centimeters apart through a high speed corner. And we both knew exactly where the other one is and how much we can, like, push them or can’t push them.

So that was really, really fun.

Elz Indriani: That is so satisfying to watch. Like. I, I’m the one like making and editing for the clips on screen to speed it down. So I was like looking into your battle, there was like a really like hard battle between you and Bianca. Well, it didn’t end up well, if, uh, if I’m not mistaken, as in like, not like well, well, well, but.

The battle was so satisfying to watch.

Nina Hahn: Yeah, I mean, obviously like you have like incidents here and there and like [01:21:00] there are absolutely no hard feelings, you know. Um, like I, at some point, like I think one time I got spawned by her, but I watched it back and I was like, hey, okay. It was a slight mistake, but I can absolutely see why you went for this gap.

So like absolutely no hard feelings at all. Right, right. Um, It was, it was still like so much fun. Yeah. And um, yeah,

Elz Indriani: and the fact that he finally can’t way to do that

Nina Hahn: again in like the next bit more build

Elz Indriani: the trust. I know, right? Like the fact that you’re building the trust between, there’s like a level of trust between you and Bianca to the point that you guys can like, having that long battle all the way throughout the season, you know, like, I’m really looking forward to see you.

Racing in the next screen to speed like I want to see and maybe I will join depends on the schedule, of course, and I really hope that we’re gonna use another GR86 because I like driving that car in iRacing.

Nina Hahn: Yeah, it’s a really fun car. Again, it’s low [01:22:00] power. You know, yeah, and you and you have to really like get the speed throughout the corner to be fast.

Uh huh. Oh, yeah.

Elz Indriani: Yeah. Yeah.

Nina Hahn: Yeah. And that’s what I enjoy like, um,

Elz Indriani: and it’s quite anyone can

Nina Hahn: drive. I say anyone, but like, Driving fast in a straight line isn’t all that difficult, but being fast throughout the corner, that’s where like the beauty for me personally. Yeah,

Elz Indriani: I did a lot of drive in. I think for my road racing mostly I did F4, GR86, and Porsche Cup.

Like. Those, those are three cars that I drive in route, but mostly I drive the GR86 because yeah, again, that car is not as quick as, especially the super formula car. But I realized that when I made a mistake with that car, with the GR86, I got time to like, you know, more time to react to the situation and to fix it.

Like, [01:23:00] I don’t know, because sometimes with a fast car, if you’re too fast, you got panic. You will spun, touch the wall, something like that.

Nina Hahn: Um, yeah, like it’s, um, in general, formula cars are just overall a bit harder to catch due to the nature of what the cars are. But, um, I also really, every time I drive a formula car and every time I spin or something, um, I always try to catch it.

And I think it’s also one of these things that’s really important to just learn. Like if you spin out, don’t just like let go of the wheel and be like, Oh, I spun and whatever, but try to recover it. Try to build that muscle memory of how to catch even formula cars. And also very importantly, how to keep it out of the wall, because if you’re ever doing real life racing and you’re going to end up in situations that you can’t control.

That’s part of racing. But [01:24:00] in these moments, it doesn’t matter, you’re already losing time. So, that’s out the window. But, it’s important to not lose the car as well. To really not hit anything with the car. And, um, that is actually one thing. that I was very happy about, like, practicing when I did the F4 test in Zolder.

Because after, like, pushing the car more and more, I did get a spin into turn one, one of the fastest points of the track. And I, for like half a second, like, going backwards at like, you’re just doing like, what was it, 160 or something? And you’re just like, um, suddenly you’re backwards in a formula car.

That was kind of scary, but then also like, Um, my brain went like, Hey, you can catch this. You practice for this. And then like my muscle memory set in and I whipped it around again, did like a beautiful 360 and just kept it on track and just continued. I didn’t even stop. [01:25:00] But like, yeah, it’s really helpful to practice those things.

Elz Indriani: Practicing the car control is like really important. I think I learned that from driving the oval car, because especially I did a lot of race in the Arco and that car is like. You know Arca in iRacing, what’s gonna happen in the crash. I learned a lot about car control and I reached the point like, okay, it’s about to crash, but you know, I can, I can catch it.

I can do countersteer. I can keep this car out of the wall. So yeah, practicing the car control is really important rather than just focusing on going fast, scoring a perfect lap time, like yeah. Practice for when something bad happened, because at some point you will have that moment coming to your life.

Like, yeah, you will crash, like you will spin and you have to catch it. Don’t break your car. Yes, Sophie. I mean, if we break the car in real life, I don’t know how much we [01:26:00] need to pay. Like in simulator, if we crash, we can hit the escape button back to the garage. But yeah, and yeah, I mean, do you? build your muscle memory through the sim racing.

Like you’re doing a lot of sim racing driving and like you have that experience. Then when that happened in real life, you have that muscle memory in your head, like, this is how you catch the car. This is how you catch the spin. Does it, does the sim racing like really helps you to develop that muscle memory?

Nina Hahn: Yeah, definitely. Um, so. Yeah, it’s just like a good way of, um, knowing how the car will react or like the type of car. It’s, it’s different if you have like a street car, also like if you have front wheel drive or rear wheel drive. But in general, practicing these like, yeah, how to keep a car out of the wall is definitely [01:27:00] applicable in real life as well.

Elz Indriani: Appliable in real life as well. That’s amazing to hear. So, I mean, I drive a lot in Oval. I know this car spin a lot, so I should have that muscle memory in my head right now. Oh my god. But the difference is like in real life you have that fear factor and you felt afraid. Like you were afraid for a split second when you were backwards, right?

Um, yeah, I mean, it’s

Nina Hahn: It’s not a sense. It wasn’t a sense of like being like scared for like being hurt or something because like I always say like If I’m especially in like a formula car with like all the straps on and everything to me personally, that’s the safest place on earth Because like the chassis is literally made for I don’t know going into a wall at 200 kilometers an hour so I I wasn’t scared [01:28:00] about, like, being hurt too much.

Um, but I was kind of just like, Oh, I can’t mess this up because, like, this is, like, my time to, like, show what I can do behind a wheel. And, um, crashing the car would obviously have been, like, the worst possible outcome.

Elz Indriani: Yep, I bet. Yeah, it doesn’t give you a good impression.

Nina Hahn: Yeah, so like I, I sadly do know what breaking carbon fiber sounds like.

I did, um, I did crash like the front wing of our Formula Student car once. Um, luckily it was only the front wing and it was already damaged before I did it. Right. So, um, we would have needed a new part anyway.

Elz Indriani: Yeah.

Nina Hahn: So I got away with like a blue eye kind of. But like, um. Yeah, so, uh, I don’t know if that’s a saying, actually.

If you get away with the blue eye. That’s a German saying. That is a German saying. We should

Elz Indriani: ask Sharon, I guess. Sharon.

Nina Hahn: Yeah, it [01:29:00] kind of means that, like, it’s, something happened, but, like, you didn’t break anything. Yeah, at least you,

Elz Indriani: look on the bright side. At least we didn’t break anything, I guess. Yeah,

Nina Hahn: actually.

Wait. Oh, I’ll just, I’ll just get something.

Elz Indriani: Okay. Oh, I wonder what she’s going to show us. Anyway. Hello, chat. Welcome to AmyTalk. I know the connection is bad.

Nina Hahn: I forgot that I still have this.

Elz Indriani: What? The wing? What?

Nina Hahn: Is that the front wing that you,

Elz Indriani: uh, that you’re Yes, that is,

Nina Hahn: that is the front wing that I, that I broke in half.

Oh, wow. I think you can see it.

Elz Indriani: But it’s really cool. Yeah, it’s really light.

Nina Hahn: Is it? Yeah, it’s like actual carbon fiber.

Elz Indriani: Oh, wait, I think I have that. Wait, wait.

Nina Hahn: I’m gonna show you. Guys, be right back, guys.

Elz Indriani: Wanna show her something? I have a couple of

Nina Hahn: like, um, carbon fiber parts laying around from my time. So this is another, uh, flap.

Oh,

Elz Indriani: wow. That is really cool. Here’s what I wanted to show you. Unidirectional

Nina Hahn: [01:30:00] carbon. And then on here it’s like forged carbon that we did on that ear. Wow.

Elz Indriani: That is really

Nina Hahn: cool.

Elz Indriani: You have, uh, you have a front wing and I got this one from the NASCAR. Alright, show me. This one. Oh, oh, that’s cool. That is, this is from the Xfinity car.

So, my friend worked as a mechanic in a NASCAR team, NASCAR Xfinity team. And then, I think one of his car crashed. Okay, I give you a little piece of NASCAR. I was like, oh, thank you. But this looking really cool. I like to collect like this part of the car. This part of the car, like every time I see someone crash on the track, I will start like collecting this part.

That’s really cool. Yeah. Yes. Sharon, like look at Nina, like she even still has the front. I see someone that has like a complete [01:31:00] front bumper in, in his gaming room, something like that. And I was like, yo, where did you get that? I need that one too for my gaming room. Oh, well, no, but that was really cool.

Like, not gonna lie. I didn’t expect to see that in two days in a talk like in two days. I didn’t expect to see a front wing.

Nina Hahn: Yeah. But like, to come back to the topic, like, um, when I, when I was spinning, I was like, really just like, um, I hoping not to crash it because like Yeah. The sound of you being in a car and being the reason why the car crashed is like a terrible feeling.

Like that was, it was really like, uh, it’s absolutely like gutting because you feel like you let not only yourself down, but like the whole team. Right. And, um, yeah, so crashing is really like a, a thing to avoid at any cost. So at

Elz Indriani: any cost. Right, right.

Nina Hahn: Don’t

Elz Indriani: [01:32:00] crash. Yeah, Sofie and everyone, don’t crash in real life.

Like, yeah, because you have the whole team working. Well, sometimes, you know, yeah, but if you still can save it, you have to save your car. Yeah, because, yeah, it takes the whole team to build the car for your race weekend, something like that. So, yeah. It’s a

Nina Hahn: team sport.

Elz Indriani: I just realized about that. Yeah. Lately because when I I’m quite newbie here in sim racing, but at the start I feel like I can do this by myself You know, like I can do this by myself.

It’s a it’s a solo race. It’s okay You know, you don’t need a team, but the more I get into it I realized that there’s like engineering involved in this or you have spotter you have mechanic you have everyone you have pit crew So it’s teamwork instead of like doing it solo So it’s like something that I realized lately, like the more I get into it, I see like the whole team [01:33:00] working together to build the car for you.

So when you win, you win as a team. When you lose, he also like everyone take the loose together. So I think that’s the beauty of racing that I just realized. I guess like we are in this together. I never broke a cool car, so I don’t have a souvenir.

Nina Hahn: You know, it’s also probably good that you didn’t break one because most of the time it’s quite expensive.

Elz Indriani: I bet like, yeah, small damage can cost you a lot of money. Like even if, well, no, I must not say that, but every kind of damage cost you money as a team. Yeah.

Nina Hahn: And motorsport is already, like, one of the most expensive hobbies there is, you know, so.

Elz Indriani: I realize that, like, yeah. I check on the price, like, if I want to get karting [01:34:00] competitively, like, okay, where’s the step? Where is the next one? And I look into this page on the internet, and they’re giving you, like, The detail about what do you need to pay to get into karting competitively and it already starts to get pricey even on the karting level so I cannot imagine like in GT class or even in Formula like, well, that’s all up.

So, yeah. It can happen. I had a little panic moment due to my disability. I apologized to the team. When you got released from the hospital. I still have the onboard video. Not great to watch. Oh my God. If you don’t mind sharing it with us, sharing it with us, Yvonne, you can share, but I bet it’s not a great feeling.

I mean, Yvonne already

Nina Hahn: had her talk, right?

Elz Indriani: Yeah, yeah. The first episode. The first one. Yeah. Yeah, the first, I wasn’t sure

Nina Hahn: if it was like the first or um, if I was mistaken, but like Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Elz Indriani: VO was [01:35:00] the first, first, second Victoria. And you are the third . The third guest here.

Nina Hahn: Yeah. Yeah. And like also by the way, since we’re had it, thanks for having me, like of course’s.

So fun. So, um, I’m glad, really enjoying it here, so, uh, fun. I really enjoy having with

Elz Indriani: you. I’m learning a lot from your experience and you know, like you explained it to me, like starting in front and starting from the back, it has its own challenge, which I mostly start from the middle of the pack. So my gameplay is different than yours.

Of course, like, if you start in front, the strategy is different than when you’re starting in the mid part of the grid. Yeah. You give me a vision about. Okay, this is what’s gonna happen if you start from the back. I was like, huh, yep, that is right. I feel like after I’m having this talk with people, this in a talk with people, I feel like I’m 20 percent smarter every week I got.

Nina Hahn: Yeah. I mean, every, every [01:36:00] day you should learn a little thing. That’s, that’s how I try to do life, you know, every day learn a little thing and that’s just going to make you better.

Elz Indriani: Yeah. I mean, one step at a time, I think. Yeah, definitely. And, yeah, the speed will come, the wind will come, and, yeah. It’s

Nina Hahn: actually, like, for me, I’m also in a weird spot in sim racing currently, where, um, I do mostly Formula Fours, and I’m usually, like, almost always, I’m in top split.

Um, so, I’m, I’m decent, but, like, I’m usually not really, like, fighting for the win. So I don’t, I don’t remember when the last time was that I won an official race. It’s been forever. It’s been forever, right. Yeah, actually, like, I also don’t do that many, um, officials currently. I often do, like, league races and that kind of thing, but not really a lot of officials.

But [01:37:00] that’s also one thing that I sometimes have to remind myself about, is that I do it for fun. And, um, if you lose the fun, then you also, like, drive bad. You know, if you, if you, if you just go in there and be like, Oh, I don’t know, quote unquote, only P5 again or something, then that’s just really not going to be great for the future.

Because if you think about it, if there are 20 people, then you were faster than 15 other people, which is a great achievement. But as a racer, I feel like you often tend to like, look at the people ahead. Obviously, you know, like overtake the next car and then the next and then the next, even though you’re already overtook 10 cars, maybe.

And you need to like actively really cherish those moments as well. Of course, there’s room for improvement, but you’re already doing well if you if you finish fifth.

Elz Indriani: Right. So no matter where you finish, it’s already a [01:38:00] progress of of you learning things here in sim racing. And also like, yeah. Finish the race.

I think Even even my friend. Um, he’s a real race car driver and he won a race in sonoma last year and kota I think I forgot or probably nola new orleans So I asked him like you working in a team like you are the driver of a race car race car team do is Um your boss or your team principal like expecting you to win every race.

That’s the question that I asked And he told me like No, that’s not how it goes. You know, your job as a driver is to drive and finish the race. That’s your job as a driver. So, I mean, it’s good if you can win it, but that’s not the, that’s not like the, or how you like measure yourself in a race or measure your performance, because yeah, as long as you finish the race, it’s fine.[01:39:00]

There is like always room for improvement. So yeah, I try to get better next time. Finish the race, try to finish better and keep on doing it. So yeah, I guess you’re right. Like, yeah. Even if you finish fifth among 20 people, it’s, it’s a high, it’s a high point, I guess, like being the top five, right?

Nina Hahn: Definitely. Yeah.

Elz Indriani: The next car is the next car behind you. Right. Oh, by the way, I just realized that we almost two hours got into this talk, but I didn’t feel like it’s been two hours, almost two hours because I really enjoy like having this talk with you and listening to how you passionate about this thing.

Like, that’s the beauty of it. Thank you. Yeah, I mean,

Nina Hahn: I’m always like, always. feel so, um, passionate when I, when I get to talk about these things because, um, in like real life, okay, I [01:40:00] have like kind of my friends and everything, but, um, it’s, yeah, sim racing is kind of a niche hobby at the end of the day. So to, to have the chance and to really like Talk about this like openly and like have people in chat who are interested.

So thanks for everyone stopping by by the way it’s just such a cool opportunity to really like share these moments with others and

Elz Indriani: Yeah And I think we are down to the last question Speaking about this any thoughts. I have a very very important question to ask for you Are you ready? Are you ready? Yeah.

So speaking about the dream team. Congratulations for making to the dream team. Yay. And you’ll be competing in the VCO. So we are talking about the competition. Like, yeah, you’re winning. You are battling with people and [01:41:00] something like that. Okay. And now that you are, you’ll be competing in the VCO. In the VCO infinity and you are in the team full of female sim racer.

How do you feel about it?

Nina Hahn: Yeah, it’s it’s really cool. Like I can’t wait. It’s gonna be probably a huge challenge. It’s Like the field is gonna be like very tough. Um But I’m gonna try my best and as soon as like we know finally like the tracks as well. We already know the cars But I um, I can’t wait to know about the the tracks so I can really start like practicing Specifically the stuff that I need to be practicing for this event, right?

And yeah, maybe should I maybe give like a short rundown to everyone who doesn’t know about it?

Elz Indriani: Yeah, sure share it with us

Nina Hahn: Okay, so it’s called the VCO Infinity, um, and it’s a 24 hour event with 24 races in there. So each [01:42:00] race is about like an hour, I think like 45 minutes with like quali in between and that kind of stuff or something.

But in general, it’s 24 hours of racing with one race each hour of like, um, there are five different cars and five different tracks. And then you just have the combination of those, so you have, um, the, the MX5 Cup, the IndyCar, the NASCAR Xfinity, the Ferrari GT3, and the Super Formula Light as cars, and then five tracks that we don’t know yet.

Yeah. But, uh, yeah. Then you’re gonna have these cars on all of these tracks, switching every hour. So, yeah, come and watch it. It’s going to be entertaining. It’s going to be very, like, different each time you’re going to tune in. And, yeah, it’s going to be quite the challenge to, um, switch between all these cars and tracks back and forth.

So every driver in the team has to drive, I think, at [01:43:00] least two cars. So, yeah, um, can’t wait for

Elz Indriani: it. Good luck with that, Nina. And yes, Yvonne, you’ve got this, Nina. Yes, both of you girls, you’ve got this. Okay. I’ll be, I’ll be hanging on the chat, like, see how you girls are doing in the track. I’m wishing you all the best, but again, don’t forget to have fun.

Like, enjoy. We’ll be meeting a lot of like top team, I believe. Yeah. And it’s also,

Nina Hahn: it’s also, um, I don’t, I don’t think we’re going to be like anywhere close to the win. Um, but that’s also not really the goal here, in my opinion, ties into like the, um, what we just talked about, like a P5 and 20 people, like a 20 car race.

It’s also great achievement. Um, I think it’s like a very great thing to just show off. That, um, we as like a girls team, like we’re there and, um, to [01:44:00] anyone who might be watching it. It’s like, like a great opportunity to just show off this whole community and everything. To show everyone like, hey, um, if you are a girl interested in racing, you can, you can join this and you can, you can be part of this community.

And you don’t have to, like, be all alone in, like, uh, a big community of, like, a lot of, like, men and boys. Right. But, like, there are, um, other girls as well. You just have to know where to look, kind of. Where to

Elz Indriani: look. Right, right. I mean, yeah, we are here. Girls, we are here. So all you need to do is just join our Discord and hang out with us.

And yeah, come race with us sometimes in the screen to speed. Cause we, well, we are planning to have more event in different sims. So it’s not just gonna be in iRacing or Gran Turismo. We really hope that we can cover a lot of games. So, you know, like we can meet a lot of girls, new girls joining the community.[01:45:00]

I really hope that we will have another event in iRacing and also possibly in ACC or even Forza. Like, we want to have it, like, everywhere because, yeah, like, we are everywhere. And it’s, um, you know, like, sometimes some girls playing in other games and, you know, like, it’s our, uh, not like our, um, Our is not like responsibility, but we want to see you like we want to meet all of you.

It doesn’t matter which game you play. So yeah, if you, if any one of you here in the chat know that you have friends or family and yeah, she likes to play sim racing. Go invite her to the screen to speak so we can meet each other. Cause it’s a different feeling when you’re battling with your friends.

With your friends like yeah, okay For example, like Nina Nina been driving with Bianca to the point that she can trust her like, okay I give you [01:46:00] space but not too much just enough for you But no feeling on it like you practice battle. So I think that’s the one of the Benefit of getting into a league race I’m I must say like you you racing with same person same people over and over to the point that You You’re building your racecraft, you’re building the thrust, you learn about how to battle throughout the race.

Cause normally in official session, because you’re racing with strangers, let’s say, like someone that you don’t know, you haven’t met before, you have that, you know, like you have to predict where he’s about to go or something like that. Meanwhile, like when you are, when you were like having a battle with Bianca, you were like, yeah, okay, I can trust her.

We’ve done this many times. So that’s the benefit of getting into a licorice, I would say. And by the way, um, guys, Sharon, Yvonne, we will run a real quick Q& A. So, um, if [01:47:00] Yvonne, Sharon and, um, Charlie, everyone in the chat have a question for Nina, feel free to shoot it in the, in the chat. We are waiting. So, yeah, if you have questions, don’t forget to shoot it.

Don’t be shy, like, just type it in the chat and we would love to answer. All right. any kind of question related to sim racing and motorsports. So I’m gonna start first, Dan. I’m gonna start first for this Q& A. If you have questions, sure. Of course, I have a lot of questions for you, actually. Okay. So. I’m here.

I’m here. So if, speaking about your goal, you said that you want to be in the Nordschleife 24, the NURB 24, that’s your goal, that realistically you think you can achieve in 10 years. And what’s the next step after that? Like, okay, let’s say you make it happen. You get into the 24 hours of nerf and yeah, so, um, think about [01:48:00] your next plan after that one.

Nina Hahn: Like after, after that race or like what are my steps to that race? Yeah,

Elz Indriani: the next step after, after. Yeah.

Nina Hahn: Okay. So, um, obviously what’s going to be like. in the background all the time is practicing on the sim because It is a very long track and a very difficult track And that’s also the beauty of it. But that also means that you need to prepare a lot so, um That’s always going to be running in the background always practicing with different cars and everything on there but um I have taken like the first couple of steps with for example my race license So, um, to actually be able to race in the 24 hour race there, you need like a special permit for the track, because the track is so long and difficult that everyone who wants to race there needs to do like, um, certain races to [01:49:00] really familiarize them with the track.

Right, right. The driving standards are, you know, as high as possible. Right. Because it is such a narrow and difficult track. So, you need like the Nordschleifen permit, is what it’s called. Kind of like your little driver’s license for that track.

Elz Indriani: Oh, yeah. Uh huh. It’s a special license for that track, I believe.

Like, a special one. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like,

Nina Hahn: usually you just have your race license, and then you can like, For me, it’s like a national race license. So I can do like races that are within one country, you know, for example, like a German race series that only races in Germany, I can race that. But since Nordschleife is so difficult, um, a couple of years ago, they started having like a special permit for like, especially like the longer races, like the NLS and the, um, the 24 hour race.

All right. So, For that I need to do like, um, I would have to [01:50:00] read up because they also changed it over the last year or two, a little, um, so you have to do like a certain amount of laps, you have to do like I think at least two races on there within the last two years to be allowed on there, and so I would need to find a way to, yeah, to just do that, and then also, um, Ideally, I would already have, like, a reasonable shot.

a race, um, like a driving position in some car for the 24 hour race at that point, because then it’s like this goal that I can work towards. And yeah, obviously, like the financial aspect is also a thing. So either you’re going to work with like, um, I don’t like the word sponsors, but like, you know, like some companies or individuals that partner with you in some way and Like, I don’t know help you [01:51:00] with travel or Equipment or all that stuff speaking of equipment.

I would need to buy. Um, My own like race suit probably and like my helmet and all that stuff. I already looked Decide on something yet because i’m just not entirely like about to race yet. Still has like a little bit of time, but it’s also something that can be just like bought recent, reasonably quickly and in the worst time you can usually like borrow it from somewhere.

So that’s not like the biggest concern, but it’s something that you also have to, to remind yourself to buy. So like, I expect that as well. So like just like all the equipment and everything would be another like two grand Around. At least, yeah, true. Um, and, and, yeah, and that’s like, sort of like, not really like getting for, getting all the expensive stuff.

So that’s really like a moderate price point. Right. [01:52:00] And, yeah, there are a lot of regulations with this. So, um, depending on what I’m gonna do, like what types of races, um. Right. They can already tie into like the requirements for the permit. Right. Then obviously like getting the permit would be a thing and then finding a team to race with in a 24 hour series,

Elz Indriani: right?

So that race that even is somewhat like your long term goal, let’s say. And what about in sim racing? This is the question from Yvonne because Yvonne asking like, what do you want to achieve? What would you like to achieve more in sim racing and in real life? I guess we talk about the real life part. So what about the sim racing?

Like, what do you want to achieve at least this year,

Nina Hahn: for example? Well, that’s a good question. Um, in sim racing, I guess, [01:53:00] uh, like the next big thing that’s on VCO Infinity. I want to do like my best there, the best that’s possible. At, um, I guess also, like, the seasonal cups that are coming up is also a goal, kind of, that I would love to take part in everything.

But, yeah. And apart from that, I kind of just, like, um, I want to drive officials a bit more often, because, as I said, I really don’t do a lot of officials currently. And I, I kind of, I kind of want to get back into that habit and do other stuff apart from, like, league races to also just, you know, Yeah, like, get more, like, my eye rating up a little.

I don’t care too much about it, but, um, always, like, looking at it, I feel like, ah, it could be definitely higher if I just put some more time in it. Right. Uh, so, yeah, that’s definitely a goal. I also have, like, my, um, A [01:54:00] licenses on every, uh, Class as I said, and it would be nice to also have like the A license and but also the rating at 4.

99 So that would also be a fun goal.

Elz Indriani: A fun goal. So doing more officials and doing your best in Infinity so I really hope that everything will goes well in the infinity like yeah I hope like we will finish all the race like those 24 race. Yeah, definitely.

Nina Hahn: I’m not giving up any of my races That’s a good mentality.

It doesn’t matter how often I, I, I don’t know. I have some problem with the car or something. Uhhuh, , I’ll, I’ll finish every race that I’m part of. Definitely.

Elz Indriani: Yeah. That’s a good mentality to f mm-Hmm. . I mean, in order to win the race first you must to, you have to finish the race, right? So

Nina Hahn: yeah, to finish first you have to.

Finish first. I guess it’s the same. Something like that. To finish first, you have to

Elz Indriani: Yeah,

Nina Hahn: something like that.

Elz Indriani: Yeah. Yeah, I [01:55:00] believe that. Yeah, you have to finish. I mean, how can you win it? To finish

Nina Hahn: first, you have to finish. Yeah, to finish first,

Elz Indriani: you have to finish. Oh, I got

Nina Hahn: it.

Elz Indriani: And here’s the question from Sharon.

So, which thing would you like to drive if iRacing didn’t exist? That’s also a good question.

Nina Hahn: Uh, yeah, it is a good question. Um, it probably depends on the type of driving again. So for drifting, I love Assetto Corsa. Um, I haven’t tried too many of like all the different, um, stuff, at least not in detail. But for GT3 racing, I heard that ACC, so Assetto Corsa Competizione, uh, is quite good.

I did play it for a couple of hours, but not to the extent that I really have an opinion on it. Uh, I think Rensport was still quite a top, but I [01:56:00] don’t know if you, if you can get in that easily. I don’t know. Uh, what else is there? Uh, R Factor? I haven’t really tried R Factor. So, um, I would definitely pick something that has, um, nice physics over graphics.

Same as iRacing. iRacing arguably doesn’t have the best graphics, but the physics are just really really good. And um, especially if you see like a huge field of cars going over a bumpy track. I always think on iRacing, the way that the cars go over bumps and like the whole way that the chassis moves and everything.

It’s just um, You Yeah, that’s just it looks real and um, not all the other games but on some of the other games It still looks a bit like a like a game I get what you mean, especially with like iracing’s new rain system Like the way that they put [01:57:00] in the rain is just amazing. It’s not just like a A slippery surface or something but it’s actually like calculating where the puddles are and like all of that stuff and redistributing the water if it gets thrown out by the cars.

It’s like a whole weather system, not just rain, and that’s also like a really really beautiful thing and I hope we’re going to see more of that in the future also in other games.

Elz Indriani: Yeah, I think they kind of nailed it making the rain release like yeah, it takes time for them to develop the rain I guess the rain system the weather forecast and everything, but I guess it turned out pretty well like from yeah Based from what I heard from people who drive in the rain like yeah, it’s good.

Like yeah, it’s fun Like good fun or bad fun. Like I was like, okay fun Yeah,

Nina Hahn: it depends.

Elz Indriani: Yeah, but I believe You I, not like I believe, but I assume that they have like the best system for the rain so far among all the sim, probably.

Nina Hahn: Yeah.

Elz Indriani: [01:58:00] Yeah. And this is the question from your boss. From the boss. So, which non German race do you want to see, and which one would you like to race in real life?

Nina Hahn: Non German. Yes. Um, okay, so like, um, to see or like to watch in real life is definitely NASCAR. I want to see like, um, a race like, I don’t know, something like Talladega, for example. Right. That must be insane to have like a super speedway with all these like NASCARs going there like as fast as possible. Mm hmm.

It’s just like, that must be insane. I really want to see that. And, um, yeah, uh, another one Which

Elz Indriani: one do you wanna race in

Nina Hahn: real life? Yeah, I guess it’s also a non German race. Yeah. Um, yeah, that’s also tricky. I feel like, like one track that I really love on [01:59:00] iRacing is Road Atlanta. Racing, pretty much any Like if I can choose a car I would probably want to drive like a, like a prototype, like an LMP2 or LMP3 or something.

Right. That sounds like so much fun. Yeah. Yeah, like,

Elz Indriani: Yeah, I love the sound of the prototype, but I haven’t driven it a lot in the sim, but the sound is so amazing, like really amazing. Yeah,

Nina Hahn: especially in real life. I’ve seen them in real life at the Hockenheimring.

Elz Indriani: Oh, wow.

Nina Hahn: Oh, um, yeah, but they sound amazing. I would love to drive them.

Like the LMP3s I saw. Yeah,

Elz Indriani: you would love to drive it in real life one day. I hope you’ll, you’ll get a chance to drive it in real life. Like maybe I will see you in some American series. Like, I don’t know.

Nina Hahn: I mean, of course, if, if, if, if it would be an option, I’d love to. [02:00:00] You will

Elz Indriani: take it like, yeah.

Nina Hahn: With pretty much, pretty much any series.

Um. I just like, I just love racing and, um, it doesn’t matter too much what types of cars it is, as long as it has four wheels and a roll cage. I love it. It’s like, seem like

Elz Indriani: me, like yeah, as long as it has four wheels

Nina Hahn: engine actually, actually thinking about it, I’d also love to do rally. Like I feel like that could also be like plenty of fun.

I don’t know how well I would do.

Elz Indriani: Right.

Nina Hahn: I think I would be all right, but like, um. Yeah, like, I’m probably not gonna be fast. I think I’m faster on like a circuit than on rally. Mhm,

Elz Indriani: right.

Nina Hahn: But, um, yeah, it’s, that must be crazy.

Elz Indriani: Right, at some point. If you get a chance to do some rally, you will take it? Like, 10 out of 10?

Yeah, probably, probably. Hm. Interesting. I [02:01:00] would love to see you. Like, it will be a big surprise if I see you and, um, doing some really at some point, like, uh, posting a picture on Instagram. Yeah. I’ll be doing really, I’ll be like, okay, now what? Now she’s gonna do it. Really? Yeah. Like what? It’ll be like super, super.

Yeah.

Nina Hahn: As I, as I said earlier, like every, every single discipline has its own type of like art. Mm-Hmm. . And I just love racing. So anything has like, um. It’s beauty to it. I would also love to try oval racing at some point. Mm-Hmm. . Even though that must be like quite scary, going that fast at like the edge of grip,

Elz Indriani: uhhuh,

Especially with the car around you. Like everybody, like very close. Yeah. I, I, yeah. It’s gonna be fun. I, I

Nina Hahn: just, yeah. I imagine that it must also be so much fun. Yeah. In general.

Elz Indriani: That’s how I feel like when I see, uh, when I went to my first, uh, NASCAR race in Las Vegas, uh, for the first screen to speed [02:02:00] back then.

I think that’s the moment where I’ve, I’m in love with NASCAR because everybody goes so fast and they are very close to each other. And, you know, like you just hear the sound go and I think that’s the reason why. And also like

Nina Hahn: feeling the air that the cars like push around must be crazy. Yeah. Yeah. The TAVI race that Sharon just like said in chat.

It’s like a, the, um, like the East German car. Oh, from, for the unification. That was like the staple of that. Um, from race. Huh? I just heard about that. They’re like cute little cars, but like, probably not the best cars, but like, it’s like, yeah, you can race those. Um, sure. It’s a cute car. It sounds like Plenty of fun.

Elz Indriani: It’s a cute car. It’s like. No, it’s not a mini Cooper. Did

Nina Hahn: you just Google it?

Elz Indriani: Yeah, I just Googled it now. It’s a cute little car. And I bet it’s gonna be like so much fun. Like, it can be [02:03:00] fun driving this car. Disposable cars. Disposable cars. It’s a disposable car. I just know about this, by the way, Sharon.

Thank you for mentioning that now that I Googled it. And I am learning something new today. Oh, my God. Nina, by the way, I think we have to end the stream and the thoughts because it’s already, um, two hours more. I mean, I would love to have more chat. Maybe we can have some, I don’t know, some fun session together.

So, you know, like maybe we can drive and have a chat and, you know, like we can share. Yeah, we can, we can

Nina Hahn: definitely drive together at some point.

Elz Indriani: Yep.

Nina Hahn: That sounds fun. Let’s do that. Please,

Elz Indriani: please, please. Please. So the plan is once I get my sim setup ready, I’ll be pretty much ready to hit the track, hit iRacing.

So I send you, I’ve sent you a friend request on iRacing. So, you know, like, maybe like we can do some drive together and like, I can tell you like, oh yeah, we are making this lobby. So come join, [02:04:00] come drive with us. And maybe we will have. Um, we will have, that’s the point, super backup. Maybe we will have any thoughts, but this time it’s not like having this kind of interview, but having this hose and the hose and the gas driving on the track.

How about that? I mean, I think I’ll

Nina Hahn: struggle with like, um, speaking coherent sentences.

Elz Indriani: Otherwise we can, I don’t know, maybe we can do some drifting and stuff. Like, you know, once my SIM set up ready, I can do a lot of different types of racing. Like I made a promise to myself. So yeah, it’s been like months for me waiting for my sim setup to be done.

So I made a promise to myself like, you know what? Once I get my sim setup ready I will push myself to the limit as in like I’m chasing for the win because It feels sad not having a sim setup when this is what you like to do, [02:05:00] you know Like this is I understand

Nina Hahn: that I also didn’t have it for like a period in my life

Elz Indriani: Yeah, like,

Nina Hahn: yeah,

Elz Indriani: don’t take away something that I like, you know, you know, that feeling like, I just want to drive at this point, you know,

Nina Hahn: yeah, I can episode with Nina when, yeah, I don’t know.

Elz Indriani: Yeah. Maybe, maybe we will have more episode with Nina. We can have a talk. Because for example, today we are talking about Nina’s journey in sim racing, real racing, and also, um, her plan and stuff. Maybe next time we can Start talking about something more technical, speaking about car setup, everything, strategy in the race.

That will be great. And yeah, I really hope that you guys will tune in on the next In It Talks, probably for the second episode of Nina coming in soon. Coming in soon. Thanks for everyone who’s watching. It was a blast. I had plenty of fun. Thank you so [02:06:00] much, by the way, Nina, for, um, for your time, um, to be here in the INIT Talks and I finally got a chance to have a chat with you, like, talking with you.

Because, yeah. Thanks for having me. Of course, it’s my pleasure. Our pleasure, actually, like me and the whole INIT team, not just me. I’m super, super happy. Guys, don’t forget to follow, give a follow for Nina. Nina, could you share your social media with the chat?

Nina Hahn: Uh, yeah, sure. I’ll, I’ll, uh, put in my Insta, right?

Yeah. Um, so Nina is on

Elz Indriani: Instagram and you have Twitter or not? Just the Instagram?

Nina Hahn: Uh, just Instagram.

Elz Indriani: Right. So don’t forget guys to give a follow to Nina Han. Does it work like this if I put it down? Yeah, right? Yeah, it works. It’s okay. So don’t forget to follow Nina on Instagram and also follow us at Enid Esports and Screen2Speed to stay [02:07:00] updated with our upcoming event, upcoming activities, competition and everything.

And also don’t forget to follow Nina on Instagram to see more updates. Simracing and IRL content because yeah, he posts some content about rail racing and that is really cool. So if you want to see, don’t forget to hang out in downforce underscore girl, downforce girl. And yes, by the way, thank you so much everyone for watching, for tuning in, for hanging in the stream.

It means a lot. It’s so nice to have you here today nina and yeah, I really hope to See you or have you in the in the next unit talks and guys for next week We’ll be back with the new guests for the third episode of init talks So we are on episode four next week and today we are on episode three super happy And yes, So next week we will have new guests joining.

So yeah, don’t forget to tune in next week, same time, [02:08:00] um, 9 p. m. CST and yeah, I will see you guys next week. Thank you so much for tuning in and yeah, bye. Take care guys. Take care. Take care. Bye bye. Thank you. Bye.

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